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Re: Unlearning perfectionism

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Mental health issues too often remain untreated among high-achievers who are able to maintain a surface appearance of holding it together. It's a good trend that nowadays we feel able to talk more openly about struggles like this. I see myself in this article but for me, the word that was the key to find resources to get better was the broader acronym RNT, "Repetitive negative thoughts". Perfectionism themes are one…

I concur. And I'm saving these links. As a tangent I would add that the damage isn't limited to the perfectionist. At some point one has to consider how the rigidity of perfectionism affects their relationships. It can be a self-indulgence in which one engages at the expense family or friends.

> It can be a self-indulgence in which one engages at the expense family or friends.

It’s even worse if the perfectionism is applied to those around you directly. The thought process is something like “well I hold myself to a high (but maybe poorly defined and changing) standard, so why not hold those in my life to that same standard!?”

Of course it is impossible for anyone to live up to your nebulous and nonverbal “standard”, so you see your close relations primarily in terms of how they are deficient. And because what comes around goes around, you assume others are perceiving you in the same way.

You may actually find yourself surrounded by people with obvious issues like addiction and depression so it easy for you to perceive exactly how much more perfect you are than they are, and of course you remind them of this frequently through backhanded comments that let them know that they are almost good enough to be your equal. It takes a certain kind of person to regularly take that abuse, so your warped reality self-selects for friends that are obsequious puddles or anxious wrecks. Thus begins a feedback loop that reinforces everyones mental health issues, with you being the pump that brings water from the well.

It’s a bucket of fun for everyone!

Re: Unlearning perfectionism

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post #9

Everyone's experience is different, so it is unsurprising that are parts of this article that resonate very strongly and other parts not at all — overall, very valuable to have read this. The philosopher John Perry has a humorous essay called "Procrastination and Perfectionism" that gets to the heart of the matter in a different way: > Many procrastinators do not realize that they are perfectionists, for the simple r…

Interesting that the behavior Perry describes is now being called “maladaptive daydreaming”. It’s not in the DSM yet, but it probably should be. It’s highly comorbid with obsessive compulsive disorders, which is also associated with perfectionism.

Re: Unlearning perfectionism

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Does the state of being someone who strives for excellence instead of perfection not carry with it it's own downsides? I know the article is more about unlearning perfectionism, but I'd also want to know what I was getting myself into if I did decide to change and if I would prefer it: e.g better the devil you know, though this is probably tinged by my resistance to change...

Re: Unlearning perfectionism

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Mental health issues too often remain untreated among high-achievers who are able to maintain a surface appearance of holding it together. It's a good trend that nowadays we feel able to talk more openly about struggles like this. I see myself in this article but for me, the word that was the key to find resources to get better was the broader acronym RNT, "Repetitive negative thoughts". Perfectionism themes are one…

I agree. I think there are several reasons high achievers' mental health issues go untreated:

- like you say they maintain a healthy surface because part of their perfectionism is no one knowing about their anxiety / having a good image

- if they do share, often their goals / expectations will be inflated compared to that of their peers such that for others it feels like they're bragging or being ridiculous, instead of taking their pain seriously. I notice this especially with when I share dissatisfaction about my school results - disparate expectations create a true divide.

Re: Unlearning perfectionism

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I kind of wish I could train myself to be a bit more towards perfectionism than I am. I know it is a different problem than y'all are having, but sometimes it feels that when everyone is stressed about a project I am the only one laid back like "it will work, even if we're a little late" or, which is worse, "readers will point out a mistake if we missed it on the overview". I call it "community feedback", but others see it more accurately as "forgiving errors before tgey are even made".

Re: Unlearning perfectionism

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post #25

I kind of wish I could train myself to be a bit more towards perfectionism than I am. I know it is a different problem than y'all are having, but sometimes it feels that when everyone is stressed about a project I am the only one laid back like "it will work, even if we're a little late" or, which is worse, "readers will point out a mistake if we missed it on the overview". I call it "community feedback", but others…

> "forgiving errors before tgey are even made"

this is brilliant if it was intentional.

Re: Unlearning perfectionism

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I concur. And I'm saving these links. As a tangent I would add that the damage isn't limited to the perfectionist. At some point one has to consider how the rigidity of perfectionism affects their relationships. It can be a self-indulgence in which one engages at the expense family or friends.

> It can be a self-indulgence in which one engages at the expense family or friends. It’s even worse if the perfectionism is applied to those around you directly. The thought process is something like “well I hold myself to a high (but maybe poorly defined and changing) standard, so why not hold those in my life to that same standard!?” Of course it is impossible for anyone to live up to your nebulous and nonverbal “…

> The thought process is something like “well I hold myself to a high (but maybe poorly defined and changing) standard, so why not hold those in my life to that same standard!?”

Seems like a lot hinges on your parenthetical.

If Bob has a well-defined and consistent standard that works for him, what's wrong with filtering Eve out of his life with it?

Re: Unlearning perfectionism

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post #25

I kind of wish I could train myself to be a bit more towards perfectionism than I am. I know it is a different problem than y'all are having, but sometimes it feels that when everyone is stressed about a project I am the only one laid back like "it will work, even if we're a little late" or, which is worse, "readers will point out a mistake if we missed it on the overview". I call it "community feedback", but others…

Real perfectionism doesn't mean you do perfect work. It means you never (or rarely) ship, or perhaps never start. You don't ask for help, you feel anxious about perceptions. You reduce the scope until a task is trivial, or increase it until it is impossible. In both cases you give the job up as worthless or unreachable.

You don't want perfectionism.

> "It will work, even if we're a little late"

We should all aspire to reach this attitude in development teams. As long as you keep putting the work in until the product is polished we're fine.

Re: Unlearning perfectionism

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post #11

“Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.” ― Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

Even this quote implies that reaching perfection is a process. One in which you create a rough solution and remove imperfections and extra parts until the minimal and perfect solution remains.
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