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GoFundMe Statement on the Freedom Convoy 2022 Fundraiser

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Re: GoFundMe Statement on the Freedom Convoy 2022 Fundraiser

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Post by jvol83 »

nradov wrote: post #19
jvol83 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Irrelevent. They are acting as a group. If anyone within the group had stopped the others, I would agree with you in principal, even if not fact. But they didn't, they stood by and watched or cheered. They enabled. Literally throwing shit is not peaceful protest. Urinating on a war memorial is not peaceful protest. Blocking access for ambulances - potentially causing significant harm or death - is not peaceful protes…

I have no stake in this protest one way or the other but I'm curious how you expect the peaceful protesters to stop the bad actors? Ask them politely? Shoot them? Call the police?

Exactly as most protests in Ottawa go. Megaphones, signs, vehicles driving through, convoys etc honking or blocking one side of a road etc etc.

Its definitely annoying, and ocassionally lasted multiple days, but it gets support and doesn't potentially cost lives.

I lived in Ottawa for a lot of years and there were countless protests - but they respected the need for society as a whole to keep functioning (read: emergency services) and worked with the local police to make sure they were in the right.

Re: GoFundMe Statement on the Freedom Convoy 2022 Fundraiser

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Post by jcadam »

Covzire wrote: post #14
prvc wrote: post #8

>we will work with organizers to send all remaining funds to credible and established charities verified by GoFundMe. >All donors may submit a request for a full refund until February 19th, 2022 using this dedicated refund form. Even if we grant for the sake of argument that their decision not to disburse funds to the protests is justified, I don't understand why a legitimate business operating in good faith would no…

The charge-backs is what I'd really worry about if I were GoFundMe, besides the massive hit to their reputation they just inflicted on themselves of course.

And everyone who donated absolutely should do a charge back.

Re: GoFundMe Statement on the Freedom Convoy 2022 Fundraiser

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Post by ekianjo »

> (Term 8, which prohibits the promotion of violence and harassment)

So when it's all violence by the State it's all peachy and fine.

> law enforcement

Why do you even trust the claims of law enforcement? They are not a neutral party at all.

> promotion of violence

Erm, BLM riots were not THAT long ago, GoFundMe do you think we forgot things so fast?

Re: GoFundMe Statement on the Freedom Convoy 2022 Fundraiser

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Post by ekianjo »

joe_91 wrote: post #5
gkalyT wrote: post #4

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I think it's interesting how they justify giving 1 million of the donation proceeds to the Organisers but then decide that the rest just doesn't make the cut. It would be nice if they provided some evidence showing the organisers having anything to do with - "promotion of violence and harassment". With any of these large scale protests there will be some bad eggs who appear to cause havoc...

> there will be some bad eggs who appear to cause havoc...

especially it's so easy to plant some people, and you have a whole league of people in modern democracies who are doing such kind of operations on a payroll.

Re: GoFundMe Statement on the Freedom Convoy 2022 Fundraiser

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Post by 0xy »

xqcgrek2 wrote: post #12

I don't see why anyone would use GoFundMe after this. Did they similarly freeze fundraisers during the BLM riots?

The GoFundMe Team themselves donated $150 to a criminal who brought a molotov cocktail to a protest to (in his words!) "start fires". [1]

When they fund domestic terrorists, it's fine.

[1] https://twitter.com/antifawatch2/status/1489778959835357189

Re: GoFundMe Statement on the Freedom Convoy 2022 Fundraiser

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Post by DaltonCoffee »

ekianjo wrote: post #27
joe_91 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's interesting how they justify giving 1 million of the donation proceeds to the Organisers but then decide that the rest just doesn't make the cut. It would be nice if they provided some evidence showing the organisers having anything to do with - "promotion of violence and harassment". With any of these large scale protests there will be some bad eggs who appear to cause havoc...

> there will be some bad eggs who appear to cause havoc... especially it's so easy to plant some people, and you have a whole league of people in modern democracies who are doing such kind of operations on a payroll.

I was honestly shocked by the lack of agent provacateurs.

Re: GoFundMe Statement on the Freedom Convoy 2022 Fundraiser

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Post by NikolaNovak »

ren_engineer wrote: post #13
prvc wrote: post #8

>we will work with organizers to send all remaining funds to credible and established charities verified by GoFundMe. >All donors may submit a request for a full refund until February 19th, 2022 using this dedicated refund form. Even if we grant for the sake of argument that their decision not to disburse funds to the protests is justified, I don't understand why a legitimate business operating in good faith would no…

I don't see how this is even legal, GoFundMe is basically stealing the funds and doing whatever they want with them. Refunds should be automatic without an opt-in required. The fact they waited until Friday evening is even more sketchy. If ever there was a use case for crypto and smart contracts a GoFundMe replacement would be it

How in the world would crypto make a difference?

If you want to send money directly to a person in an irrevocable way, do so.

If however you want to use an established intermediary platform with standardized and seamless fundraising and distribution and payment processing capability and its own terms of service... How would crypto change that? We can't just use the magic world to wave problems away... This is the type of statement that breeds deep skepticism and even cynicism of crypto currencies and eco system.

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