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Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee

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Post by osrec »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #14

As an Apple user, I kind of view the App Store as a kind of collective bargaining with app developers. If you want to have access to Apple Users you need to adhere to certain standards. The plaintiffs in the lawsuit against Apple are some of the scummiest companies and their software is full of dark patterns. Apple’s App Store does a lot to protect me. I guess I view this bill much as a union member might view a “Rig…

How do you explain the plethora of sub standard apps already in both major app stores then?

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Post by irrational »

> New rules could require them both to allow app side-loading — installing apps from non-sanctioned marketplaces — and alternative payment processing systems. Apple and Google have argued vehemently against the bill.

Why is Google against side-loading? It is already possible to side-load on Android devices, what is their argument?

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Post by ribosometronome »

jliptzin wrote: post #7

Surprised it took this long. If they would have taken a more reasonable 5-10% of developer earnings they’d still collect billions upon billions in rent while not angering millions of developers and lawmakers writing this legislation. Or at least charge a tiered annual publication fee plus payment processing fees. But greed got the best of them. Their fees are akin to a shopping mall owner taking 30% of store revenues…

>Oh and by the way, there’s no other malls in town to move your business to.

I mean, given that this bill is targeting two companies, I'm not sure your analogy holds. There clearly is another mall you could move to. You just wouldn't get the patrons at the other mall. And they charge the same and always have. And, your business doesn't even have to be located in the mall if you think the fees are unreasonable. You just don't get the benefit of all the people already shopping at the mall. I also generally want to have my cake and eat it, too, though.

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Post by veilrap »

grishka wrote: post #20
ADent wrote: post #16

Does this apply to XBox and PlayStation?

Those aren't general-purpose devices. You can't even get official SDKs unless you're a game studio.

They are just as general purpose as my phone. It's quite easy to sideload applications onto an Xbox console for example.

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Post by gorjusborg »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #14

As an Apple user, I kind of view the App Store as a kind of collective bargaining with app developers. If you want to have access to Apple Users you need to adhere to certain standards. The plaintiffs in the lawsuit against Apple are some of the scummiest companies and their software is full of dark patterns. Apple’s App Store does a lot to protect me. I guess I view this bill much as a union member might view a “Rig…

You don't have to side load. If you value the 'protections' the app stores offer, you can continue to use them, from how this reads.

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Post by JanSt »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #14

As an Apple user, I kind of view the App Store as a kind of collective bargaining with app developers. If you want to have access to Apple Users you need to adhere to certain standards. The plaintiffs in the lawsuit against Apple are some of the scummiest companies and their software is full of dark patterns. Apple’s App Store does a lot to protect me. I guess I view this bill much as a union member might view a “Rig…

Everyone would be glad if Apple and Google would drastically drop their cut to 5%-7%. They basically take a risk free 15-30% stake in revenues (!) of many companies that serve users on mobile devices.

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Post by keleftheriou »

Great news.

Apple has turned the magic of software development from “how cool would this be?” to “how cool would Apple be with this?”

That’s an environment of software suppression instead of free innovation, and Apple has felt little pressure to change.

For anyone concerned about the security and privacy implications, don’t fall for the misconceptions perpetuated by Apple: non-App Store apps will still be sandboxed (so they can’t access other app or system data), and also scanned for malware by Apple - just like App Store apps!

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Post by DHPersonal »

realusername wrote: post #15
scarface74 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a lot easier to track your usage across websites than it is across apps.

No it's not, phones have unique identifiers, easier hardware access, poor cross-apps sandboxing capabilities, they also have no private mode, don't support adblocking & tracking blocking... There's a reason everybody nags you to install their apps on every website.

One big reason for Apple devices is app notifications.

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Post by zepto »

keleftheriou wrote: post #27

Great news. Apple has turned the magic of software development from “how cool would this be?” to “how cool would Apple be with this?” That’s an environment of software suppression instead of free innovation, and Apple has felt little pressure to change. For anyone concerned about the security and privacy implications, don’t fall for the misconceptions perpetuated by Apple: non-App Store apps will still be sandboxed (…

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