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Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by DoctorOW »

outworlder wrote: post #8
capableweb wrote: post #3

More fitting title would be "Easily manage wineprefix using environments" or "Easily manage wine prefixes in a new way" as this is just using Wine, which is what actually does the "Run Windows software and games on Linux" (current title) part. If anyone has experience, and since the repository doesn't mention it, how is Bottles different from let's say Lutris, Q4Wine and PlayOnLinux that already exists and does somet…

Not everyone understands what a 'wineprefix' even is.

I feel like if this were targeted at everyone it would link to the marketing website or an article rather than the Github process. A bit of technical knowledge is a fair expectation for the Linux Hacker News audience.

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by tvb12 »

Normal_gaussian wrote: post #12
outworlder wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not everyone understands what a 'wineprefix' even is.

Further to the point, I would hazard that the majority of linux users don't use wine because its too complex to justify the effort. Very few users for this want to know how they would configure wine to do the same thing, they just want to 'run windows software and games on linux'.

I do the opposite, but for the exact same reason. I couldn't figure out how to use Lutris at all when I first installed Linux, but I happened upon a very detailed guide for setting up a wine prefix (it's just a folder) for the game I was installing. Now when I install a new game I mostly just scroll back through my shell history to see what I did back then.

I just opened Lutris for the first time since then and I think I can see how to use it now. But I'll probably stick to my current ways because it works and really all of it's a pain anyway. Lutris is still invaluable for peeking through the installer scripts, though.

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by ddtaylor »

Lutris, PlayOnLinux, Proton, etc. are all really cool. But, if you value your time and security, just keep a dedicated Windows system for gaming. I keep all the things I actually care about or don't want stolen on my Linux system with full drive encryption and I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care about in any way.

The small price I pay for having to manually type a Steam authentication code from my phone into the gaming PC is worth it to never have to worry about the insane level of insecurity and bugs from the gaming sphere. The amount of RCE in gaming is pretty bad. And, you know, sometimes your friends message you and want to play a game that is new and from a developer nobody can really trust.

Combine that with the fact that the first thing almost every game does is phone home to try and download new executable content and IMO you would be irresponsible to keep your important documents/credentials on a system that is also used for gaming.

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by ddtaylor »

ijlx wrote: post #19
smoldesu wrote: post #6

If you intend to use this, reach for the AppImage version. The AUR installation script appears to be broken, and the Flatpak version of the app is feature-incomplete (and, yunno, a Flatpak).

> and, yunno, a Flatpak What's wrong with Flatpak? I've had fewer problems with flatpak than with AppImage personally.

Some peoples opinion of Flatpak has been heavily warped by websites like FlatKill.org

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by neilv »

ddtaylor wrote: post #23

Lutris, PlayOnLinux, Proton, etc. are all really cool. But, if you value your time and security, just keep a dedicated Windows system for gaming. I keep all the things I actually care about or don't want stolen on my Linux system with full drive encryption and I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care abo…

I use a gaming console (PS4) for similar reasons.

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by unixhero »

neilv wrote: post #25
ddtaylor wrote: post #23

Lutris, PlayOnLinux, Proton, etc. are all really cool. But, if you value your time and security, just keep a dedicated Windows system for gaming. I keep all the things I actually care about or don't want stolen on my Linux system with full drive encryption and I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care abo…

I use a gaming console (PS4) for similar reasons.

Sure but a console will never replace the joy of PC gaming

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by sa1 »

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #15
collegeburner wrote: post #14

How does it compare with Crossover? Crossover is the only software I ever used where new MS Office works.

Crossover is the commercial version of WINE, which this is using.

It's not just that, it is also a prefix manager, which this is competing with.

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by shmerl »

ddtaylor wrote: post #23

Lutris, PlayOnLinux, Proton, etc. are all really cool. But, if you value your time and security, just keep a dedicated Windows system for gaming. I keep all the things I actually care about or don't want stolen on my Linux system with full drive encryption and I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care abo…

You don't need Windows for security. If you want isolation, run another Linux separate from your main one and use Wine there all the same.

Windows and security is a poor combination to begin with.

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by morsch »

ddtaylor wrote: post #23

Lutris, PlayOnLinux, Proton, etc. are all really cool. But, if you value your time and security, just keep a dedicated Windows system for gaming. I keep all the things I actually care about or don't want stolen on my Linux system with full drive encryption and I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care abo…

A separate Linux user would go a long way. You'd have to be very unlucky to get hit by a RCE in a game that's simultaneously targeted at Proton users.

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by jesprenj »

unixhero wrote: post #26
neilv wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use a gaming console (PS4) for similar reasons.

Sure but a console will never replace the joy of PC gaming

Sure but a dedicated Windows machine will never replace the joy of gaming on a FOSS OS. (;
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