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Re: Red Light Green Light

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This anecdote is a ridiculously great example of something I’ve found to be VERY VERY IMPORTANT with parenting (and probably lots else.) You must be incredibly delicate with “wrong” answers otherwise you might gaslight, discourage, or otherwise mess with your child’s ontology. I’ve learned to ask “why do you think that?” When I get a “confident wrong answer” as I call them. A surprising amount of the time my child ha…

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Re: Red Light Green Light

#22
It's weird it took her so long to realize what was happening - I knew as soon as I read the first paragraph what was going on.

I suppose it's because I am younger (and thus have memories of being a kid) and was rather short as a kid, so I know what sorts of limited visibility you can have as a kid, and more recently I'm also used to driving at confusing intersections where it's not clear which light applies.

Re: Red Light Green Light

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This anecdote is a ridiculously great example of something I’ve found to be VERY VERY IMPORTANT with parenting (and probably lots else.) You must be incredibly delicate with “wrong” answers otherwise you might gaslight, discourage, or otherwise mess with your child’s ontology. I’ve learned to ask “why do you think that?” When I get a “confident wrong answer” as I call them. A surprising amount of the time my child ha…

Note that (AFAIK), for adults, "why" can get you the wrong response (puts people on the defensive), so (AFAIK) it's recommended to use "what" instead (which tends to get at the "why" you wanted in the first place) - "why do you think that?" -> "what led to you thinking that?" :shrug: It works, sooooo.

I've been using "How did you figure that out?" which I got from Marilyn Burns and her wonderful interviews with kids.[0]

Her videos are really cool to watch — often the kids will self-correct their wrong answers when talking through their reasoning. Even if they make the same mistake the second time, it gives the listener really great insight into how they're thinking about the question.

And it's a great question to ask when the kid is right too — often I'm surprised by my son's answer, such as when he figured out how to spell "only" by looking out the window at the right-turn only sign painted on the street outside.

[0] https://twitter.com/search?q=ListeningToLearn.com&src=typed_...

Re: Red Light Green Light

#25
Lots of people are taking away "be kind when you listen to others' perspectives", which is right.

But another point we can take away from this is: finding & amplifying the people who see colors that other people can't see — is a really valuable thing we can do, both for those people and your team.

Re: Red Light Green Light

#26
> perhaps the problem has nothing to do with communication

Going for experiments and research and never further discuss the situation with the kid feels to me like it has everything to do with communication...

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I had a very similar experience as a child. I always wondered how other drivers could tell which way we were turning. My parents told me that they can tell from your turn signal. 6-year-old me just thought turn signals entailed the green flashing arrows on the dash (not also on the car’s taillights). I just assumed all drivers were tall enough to see into the other car and tell from their dash (for at least the next…

Funny, I remember as a child wondering how my parents knew how to get where we were going. I saw the green lights on the dash (and couldn't see the signal lever from the backseat) and just thought that the car was smart enough to give them directions.

You were right eventually!

Re: Red Light Green Light

#28

This anecdote is a ridiculously great example of something I’ve found to be VERY VERY IMPORTANT with parenting (and probably lots else.) You must be incredibly delicate with “wrong” answers otherwise you might gaslight, discourage, or otherwise mess with your child’s ontology. I’ve learned to ask “why do you think that?” When I get a “confident wrong answer” as I call them. A surprising amount of the time my child ha…

Note that (AFAIK), for adults, "why" can get you the wrong response (puts people on the defensive), so (AFAIK) it's recommended to use "what" instead (which tends to get at the "why" you wanted in the first place) - "why do you think that?" -> "what led to you thinking that?" :shrug: It works, sooooo.

Please don't. Euphemism treadmills destroy langauge.

Re: Red Light Green Light

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post #22

It's weird it took her so long to realize what was happening - I knew as soon as I read the first paragraph what was going on. I suppose it's because I am younger (and thus have memories of being a kid) and was rather short as a kid, so I know what sorts of limited visibility you can have as a kid, and more recently I'm also used to driving at confusing intersections where it's not clear which light applies.

I still remember the moment I realized (maybe at age 5 or so?) that even the cars coming toward us on the left side of the road were driving on the right side of the road from their perspective.

Re: Red Light Green Light

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post #22

It's weird it took her so long to realize what was happening - I knew as soon as I read the first paragraph what was going on. I suppose it's because I am younger (and thus have memories of being a kid) and was rather short as a kid, so I know what sorts of limited visibility you can have as a kid, and more recently I'm also used to driving at confusing intersections where it's not clear which light applies.

Your comment was the top one and it encouraged me to just click through to the article and... I just don't get it after the first paragraph. Indeed, colour blindness? But that doesn't make you "know" it wrong, that makes you not be able to tell (afaik). So then... the kid was either joking, had learned it the wrong way around, or tied the name 'red' to the bottom position perhaps.

... turns out it's a localization problem. If you're sitting too low at the front of the queue, you'd see the overhead traffic light often better than the drivers do. I didn't think that this must, of course, be another USA-localization story and the traffic lights are elsewhere over there (across the crossing I guess).

> used to driving at confusing intersections where it's not clear which light applies

and I guess that explains why there are different systems. Why not change them around in the USA as well? It's not as if people could be confused and look at the wrong lights, as the others' lights are simply not visible when the lights are all on the side nearest to the lane(s) they apply to.

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