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People don't work as much as they say

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Re: People don't work as much as they say

#21

4 hours a day of real work seems low, but certainly not 40 hours a week.

As a programmer, I've always felt that, on an average, 4 hours of actual work gets done by me on a daily basis. This does not include meetings, communication etc. This is essentially the time spent towards a tangible deliverable.

It's still work, even if it's not the work you want to be doing.

Re: People don't work as much as they say

#23

4 hours a day of real work seems low, but certainly not 40 hours a week.

What do you define as "real" work? In most productive days of coding I get 4/5 "real" hours of focused, concentrated work. Very, very rarely would I get more than 6 without finishing the day mentally exhausted. Meetings? Doing more than two back-to-back, hour-long meetings is an ordeal if you want a productive meeting. You can sit there and stare into space for far longer, or just keep minimum attention. But intellig…

But it's like marketing though. You're productive for 50% of the time, but you can't know which 50%. Scheduling one's self 4-day work weeks seems great in theory but you can't force the flow state to happen

Re: People don't work as much as they say

#24
post #13

"The details of this are somewhat career specific, and my experience is mostly with a mix of software development, writing, coaching, and consulting." Somewhat career specific is a colossal understatement.

I think every service industry worker is laughing their ass off at this post. That is, if they can get past the tears and fury at the injustice of the world that allowed this post to exist.

Re: People don't work as much as they say

#25
I have an extension in VS Code that tracks time spent coding, and sends me a weekly summary. While I’m unsure how accurate the time algorithm is, on my “home office with no meetings” days it says I get around 5 hours of code time, which sounds about accurate. Interestingly it claims the the global average is 52 minutes, which I can definitely get on days with many interruptions.

Re: People don't work as much as they say

#26

I can quibble with the specific hours, but this resonates a lot with me. My average day looks something like: Hour 0-0.5: Get ready for the workday - messages, email, write standup report, take a shower. Hour 0.5-1: standup meeting + offline meetings. Hour 1-2: meetings or brain work Hour 2-3: mealtime, active availability Hour 3-5: active availability, light work, meetings Hour 5-7: brain work (I do my best brain wo…

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Re: People don't work as much as they say

#27
Working 80 hours a week is unhealthy and a bad idea. I don’t think there is any solid argument against that.

Until recently I was a dev manager for about 20 devs (not all direct). I did work 80 hours a week, still do. I know I am unhealthy. I don’t like doing things that are not technical. I get uncomfortable and bored quickly.

My work gives me complex tech problems constantly. So I feel better working. But I attribute this to an unhealthy grip on life that stemmed from somewhere.

All my devs wanted to also work 80 hours a week. I had to keep on top of their own hours to tell them to go home and find a girlfriend.

DONT work crazy hours because someone else in your sphere is doing it. Only do it if you can honestly say you are unhealthily obsessed with it and can’t actually have a normal life.

Re: People don't work as much as they say

#28
post #13

"The details of this are somewhat career specific, and my experience is mostly with a mix of software development, writing, coaching, and consulting." Somewhat career specific is a colossal understatement.

I think every service industry worker is laughing their ass off at this post. That is, if they can get past the tears and fury at the injustice of the world that allowed this post to exist.

I don't share your sarcasm. Working with your body and working with your mind aren't that different, it's just that the mind gets tired quicker. It's very hard to be doing concentrated thinking for 6 hours straight.

Re: People don't work as much as they say

#29
I spend most of my time thinking what needs to be done, and how to do it. Then I make the simplest possible prototype/POC and re-check my ideas. Then I think about use cases (test cases, actually) and keep iterating making small modifications (usually) to the code and finding more edge cases. My point is, the actual amount of time actually doing code-writing is very small, most time is spent figuring things out (thinking on the high level design/algorithm), writing out the ideas as code is usually the least part of the work. Finally I do cleanups/refactor, which are quite simple to do, but take non trivial amounts of time, including writting more documentation (e.g. code comments and descriptions for the PR for reviewers and for later reference).

Re: People don't work as much as they say

#30

Working 80 hours a week is unhealthy and a bad idea. I don’t think there is any solid argument against that. Until recently I was a dev manager for about 20 devs (not all direct). I did work 80 hours a week, still do. I know I am unhealthy. I don’t like doing things that are not technical. I get uncomfortable and bored quickly. My work gives me complex tech problems constantly. So I feel better working. But I attribu…

Kudos on the self insight there buddy. Not everyone bothers to self reflect about why they do the things they do. But they should.
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