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Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by gruez »

xiphias2 wrote: post #12
superkuh wrote: post #6

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Putting your data in a megacorp basket means it'll be treated primarily with consideration towards their legal liability first, other megacorps second, and you third or fourth.

If the megacorps buy up the best competitors, there's not much chance left for people, just use them.

It's true to some extent, but in the file storage space it's not really applicable. There are hundreds of competitors, and I'm not even sure if any file storage providers got bought up by "megacorps".

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by ehnto »

version_five wrote: post #2

"A review cannot be requested for this restriction" ML enforcing rules is bad enough, but not allowing false positives to be corrected is ridiculous. This is why I would never consider g-suite for any business application. Otoh, I think there is a legitimate business to be made helping small businesses and individuals secure themselves against arbitrary behavior from big tech. This kind of thing can have serious cons…

Reminds me of that 70s IBM presentation quote that surfaced recently, "A computer can never be held accountable, therefore a computer must never make a management decision".

It's one thing to have a computer flag issues, another to make it responsible for taking action and in this case, making a decision final. Google continues to set poor examples with irresponsible implementations of machine learning. With no accountability, no recourse, no humans to talk to.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by capableweb »

friedman23 wrote: post #19
version_five wrote: post #2

"A review cannot be requested for this restriction" ML enforcing rules is bad enough, but not allowing false positives to be corrected is ridiculous. This is why I would never consider g-suite for any business application. Otoh, I think there is a legitimate business to be made helping small businesses and individuals secure themselves against arbitrary behavior from big tech. This kind of thing can have serious cons…

"The trial" by Kafka needs to be required reading for everyone involved in implementing systems like this.

Most likely the people actually implementing this system did raise potential issues to their supervisors. It's not the implementer that needs more education, it is the people who drive the implementer that needs better education in how to design systems.

But since it probably doesn't affect the bottom-line, it's unlikely to actually happen.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by tempodox »

version_five wrote: post #2

"A review cannot be requested for this restriction" ML enforcing rules is bad enough, but not allowing false positives to be corrected is ridiculous. This is why I would never consider g-suite for any business application. Otoh, I think there is a legitimate business to be made helping small businesses and individuals secure themselves against arbitrary behavior from big tech. This kind of thing can have serious cons…

Given that going viral on Twitter is the only functional help desk for such situations, “Tweet storm as a service” would be a promising proposition.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by bobm_kite9 »

ehnto wrote: post #22
version_five wrote: post #2

"A review cannot be requested for this restriction" ML enforcing rules is bad enough, but not allowing false positives to be corrected is ridiculous. This is why I would never consider g-suite for any business application. Otoh, I think there is a legitimate business to be made helping small businesses and individuals secure themselves against arbitrary behavior from big tech. This kind of thing can have serious cons…

Reminds me of that 70s IBM presentation quote that surfaced recently, "A computer can never be held accountable, therefore a computer must never make a management decision". It's one thing to have a computer flag issues, another to make it responsible for taking action and in this case, making a decision final. Google continues to set poor examples with irresponsible implementations of machine learning. With no accou…

Yes! This is one thing humans are still much better at than AI: taking blame.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by kwhitefoot »

ChicagoBoy11 wrote: post #13

I experienced something similar building an internal tool on GSuite. I had a large file with sequences of 9 digit numbers specific to our use-case, all tied to names of people (employees). Whelp, at one point the tool I was working on stopped working, and it was flagged as apparently containing social security numbers (which I suppose matched the character length). Whelp, on the admin panel, you can get a report of t…

Is this a tool that you pay money for? Sounds like it fails the 'fitness for purpose' test.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by newsbinator »

friedman23 wrote: post #19
version_five wrote: post #2

"A review cannot be requested for this restriction" ML enforcing rules is bad enough, but not allowing false positives to be corrected is ridiculous. This is why I would never consider g-suite for any business application. Otoh, I think there is a legitimate business to be made helping small businesses and individuals secure themselves against arbitrary behavior from big tech. This kind of thing can have serious cons…

"The trial" by Kafka needs to be required reading for everyone involved in implementing systems like this.

Or "Catch-22" by Heller: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by melissalobos »

tyingq wrote: post #15

I'm curious if it was related to the file name. I created a few 1-byte files with just "1" in them, with different names, including "output04.txt". No problems so far. Also uploaded variations with "\n" and "\r\n" after the "1". And enabled sharing to anyone with the link. No issues so far. Google drive does support metadata like a description and comments. I wonder if someone posted some copyrighted text in a commen…

It may take some time for it to index and check the file, youtube for example takes ages to process video, I would imagine google drive is lower priority. Check back in a week or two and see if it changes.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by klyrs »

tempodox wrote: post #24
version_five wrote: post #2

"A review cannot be requested for this restriction" ML enforcing rules is bad enough, but not allowing false positives to be corrected is ridiculous. This is why I would never consider g-suite for any business application. Otoh, I think there is a legitimate business to be made helping small businesses and individuals secure themselves against arbitrary behavior from big tech. This kind of thing can have serious cons…

Given that going viral on Twitter is the only functional help desk for such situations, “Tweet storm as a service” would be a promising proposition.

You don't think that would automatically get shut down for spam-like activity?
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