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‘Farms are failing’ as fertilizer prices drive up cost of food

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Re: ‘Farms are failing’ as fertilizer prices drive up cost of food

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There is also a slightly different way to grow food using a less intense fertilizer called "square foot gardening".

https://squarefootgardening.org/

There is a best selling book about it and it works surprisingly well. The secret fertilizer for this, affectionately known as "Mel's Mix" recipe is available for anyone to make their own. It's not even terribly hard if you're willing to do a bit of composting outside on your own.

Re: ‘Farms are failing’ as fertilizer prices drive up cost of food

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It means poor people will suffer. Overpopulated paces may suffer more. Places experiencing bad crops as well…. It’s not something to celebrate in detachment. [the market, and thus price of food staples, is global]

More production will be moved from grain for cattle to growing food for humans. We can massively scale up our food production if we remove beef from the average diet.

It means everything will get more expensive. Poor people also eat meats. Their staple grains will go up, and if the feed for chickens and cows goes up, so will their meat.

Re: ‘Farms are failing’ as fertilizer prices drive up cost of food

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post #21

There is also a slightly different way to grow food using a less intense fertilizer called "square foot gardening". https://squarefootgardening.org/ There is a best selling book about it and it works surprisingly well. The secret fertilizer for this, affectionately known as "Mel's Mix" recipe is available for anyone to make their own. It's not even terribly hard if you're willing to do a bit of composting outside on…

The US food system at least is designed to generate a lot of food efficiently. This could definitely work, and the food is probably better. But being able to generate cheap calories on demand is a major priority.

Re: ‘Farms are failing’ as fertilizer prices drive up cost of food

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More production will be moved from grain for cattle to growing food for humans. We can massively scale up our food production if we remove beef from the average diet.

It means everything will get more expensive. Poor people also eat meats. Their staple grains will go up, and if the feed for chickens and cows goes up, so will their meat.

I think the person you’re responding to is saying that it’s good that we’ll all be eating less meat. There’s an important point to be made about inequity and the decline of commodity meat, but that point doesn’t detract from the fact that it’s probably good for everyone involved and the planet for us to be eating less meat.

Re: ‘Farms are failing’ as fertilizer prices drive up cost of food

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There are options besides chemical fertilizers. The nodules on legume root are a symbiotic home for nitrogen-fixing bacteria. Farmers traditionally rotate corn and soybeans to reduce their nitrogen costs. Other plants have deeper roots, which pull up nutrients... My comment about biological nitrogen fixation (15 days ago): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29829580 Saw this recently: Black eyed peas could help eli…

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Re: ‘Farms are failing’ as fertilizer prices drive up cost of food

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post #11

This is a good thing, fertilizer is heavily overused, poisoning waterways. Yes the cost of food may go up as a result but the current farming practices are unsustainable.

This would be rather like telling the Irish in 1847 that “This is a good thing because it will make you less dependant on a single crop”.

A somewhat callous attitude.

Re: ‘Farms are failing’ as fertilizer prices drive up cost of food

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post #21

There is also a slightly different way to grow food using a less intense fertilizer called "square foot gardening". https://squarefootgardening.org/ There is a best selling book about it and it works surprisingly well. The secret fertilizer for this, affectionately known as "Mel's Mix" recipe is available for anyone to make their own. It's not even terribly hard if you're willing to do a bit of composting outside on…

The US food system at least is designed to generate a lot of food efficiently. This could definitely work, and the food is probably better. But being able to generate cheap calories on demand is a major priority.

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Re: ‘Farms are failing’ as fertilizer prices drive up cost of food

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It means everything will get more expensive. Poor people also eat meats. Their staple grains will go up, and if the feed for chickens and cows goes up, so will their meat.

I think the person you’re responding to is saying that it’s good that we’ll all be eating less meat. There’s an important point to be made about inequity and the decline of commodity meat, but that point doesn’t detract from the fact that it’s probably good for everyone involved and the planet for us to be eating less meat.

Yes, over time, that would be fine, but not a shock induced by the high prices of fertilizer that immediately affect prices --inducing glee in some because they don't see the immediate detrimental effects.

Re: ‘Farms are failing’ as fertilizer prices drive up cost of food

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post #21

There is also a slightly different way to grow food using a less intense fertilizer called "square foot gardening". https://squarefootgardening.org/ There is a best selling book about it and it works surprisingly well. The secret fertilizer for this, affectionately known as "Mel's Mix" recipe is available for anyone to make their own. It's not even terribly hard if you're willing to do a bit of composting outside on…

How actionable do you think this is to a farmer growing staple crops in sub-Saharan africa?
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