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Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

#21

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I agree that flag != language (British Union flag for English being a prime example), but what is the next best alternative?

Why have flags at all? Just use the native language name and a translation.

If I end up on the page in a language I don't know, then how would I find the language selector?

I agree that flags aren't great, but I don't know of any other solution to this problem.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

#22
post #13

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Anything but the flag. Why not use full language names? I am very tired of seeing one flag represent my language where that is the newer nation using that language as national language. But that language is spoken for a thousand years or more in other regions.

> I am very tired of seeing one flag represent my language where that is the newer nation using that language as national language. But that language is spoken for a thousand years or more in other regions. I'm not disagreeing with your general point, but I'm curious: What language is over a thousand years old and still recognizably the same language?

US English comes to mind, not that middle English is particularly readable.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

#23
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that flag != language (British Union flag for English being a prime example), but what is the next best alternative?

Anything but the flag. Why not use full language names? I am very tired of seeing one flag represent my language where that is the newer nation using that language as national language. But that language is spoken for a thousand years or more in other regions.

> Why not use full language names?

If I end up on the page in a language I don't know, then how would I find the language selector?

I agree that flags aren't great, but I don't know of any other solution to this problem.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

#24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that flag != language (British Union flag for English being a prime example), but what is the next best alternative?

Yea, it’s always a struggle. UI wise it clearly looks better to use flags and people know what it’s for when they see it. There’s always people who complain about it though. I’m of the opinion to not worry about it and just use the flags. It’s enough effort to properly internationalize a site and keep it maintained. That it’s available at all is a huge effort. Debating flags vs a drop down with languages is nitpickin…

> Plus, when the language codes include a country it’s a natural UI decision.

Un-natural UI decision then if a language can exists in more than one country, and one country can have many languages?

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

#25

What is the reason behind closed firmware? I understand that wifi devices may operate out of the certification depending on what the firmware does, but other devices... why do they have closed firmwares?

Probably to hide/protect corporate secrets, or if the firmware integrates proprietary code from a 3rd party it would be difficult to open source for legal reasons.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

#26
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anything but the flag. Why not use full language names? I am very tired of seeing one flag represent my language where that is the newer nation using that language as national language. But that language is spoken for a thousand years or more in other regions.

> I am very tired of seeing one flag represent my language where that is the newer nation using that language as national language. But that language is spoken for a thousand years or more in other regions. I'm not disagreeing with your general point, but I'm curious: What language is over a thousand years old and still recognizably the same language?

Arabic

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

#28

Side note: the language selection is stupid on the website. No, I'm not from Germany, and I don't speak German even if it's the closest country to me that you sell laptops in. Also, it's a bad practice to associate flags with languages. Or to give options that don't work after you select them. Otherwise, very nice news!

I agree that flag != language (British Union flag for English being a prime example), but what is the next best alternative?

I've seen English represented as a flag made of halves of UK and US flags

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

#30
post #15

I wish I could get one without Windows

You have to pay for Windows.

Quote from their website: “ Base and Performance configurations ship with Windows 10 Home pre-installed and Professional ships with Windows 10 Pro pre-installed. You can also load your own operating system later, like a Linux distribution.”

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