fun fact: cigarette usage does appear to at least decrease the chance of you getting ulcerative colitis
still a shitty habit to pick up though
When cigarette companies used doctors to push smoking (2018)
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Re: When cigarette companies used doctors to push smoking (2018)
#22Look at the timeline:
1930 - first cigarette company uses physicians in their ads
1950s - evidence starts mounting that smoking causes lung cancer
1964 - US Surgeon General report on the link between smoking and cancer
1998 - cigarette companies still maintained that the link is controversial
Re: When cigarette companies used doctors to push smoking (2018)
#23Look at the timeline: 1930 - first cigarette company uses physicians in their ads 1950s - evidence starts mounting that smoking causes lung cancer 1964 - US Surgeon General report on the link between smoking and cancer 1998 - cigarette companies still maintained that the link is controversial So it takes 70 years, or nearly an entire generation, before all of the machinery at play (businesses, government, healthcare,…
Yeah who knows what unequivocal advice we could be getting from experts right now that will be thoroughly debunked 70 years from now.
(Are dairy and grains still food groups... I could easily go on)
Re: When cigarette companies used doctors to push smoking (2018)
#24Yeah, but that is past. Now we can absolutely, truly believe on doctors, as it is all based on science.
Re: When cigarette companies used doctors to push smoking (2018)
#25Look at the timeline: 1930 - first cigarette company uses physicians in their ads 1950s - evidence starts mounting that smoking causes lung cancer 1964 - US Surgeon General report on the link between smoking and cancer 1998 - cigarette companies still maintained that the link is controversial So it takes 70 years, or nearly an entire generation, before all of the machinery at play (businesses, government, healthcare,…
Labomotomies won the Nobel prize.
They were supported by the mainstream medical and science establishments. Rosemary Kennedy, JFKs relative got one.
People were giving labotomies to their kids to calm them down, advised by their doctor.
Great article on Howard Dulley one of the kids whose parents gave him a lobotomy advised by a doctor.
https://www.npr.org/2005/11/16/5014080/my-lobotomy-howard-du...
Re: When cigarette companies used doctors to push smoking (2018)
#26Look at the timeline: 1930 - first cigarette company uses physicians in their ads 1950s - evidence starts mounting that smoking causes lung cancer 1964 - US Surgeon General report on the link between smoking and cancer 1998 - cigarette companies still maintained that the link is controversial So it takes 70 years, or nearly an entire generation, before all of the machinery at play (businesses, government, healthcare,…
A generation is more like 20 years. You’re talking about a lifetime, which is even more insane.
Re: When cigarette companies used doctors to push smoking (2018)
#27Look at the timeline: 1930 - first cigarette company uses physicians in their ads 1950s - evidence starts mounting that smoking causes lung cancer 1964 - US Surgeon General report on the link between smoking and cancer 1998 - cigarette companies still maintained that the link is controversial So it takes 70 years, or nearly an entire generation, before all of the machinery at play (businesses, government, healthcare,…
can you imagine if that was happening now? haha no way right
Re: When cigarette companies used doctors to push smoking (2018)
#28I'm reminded of the Ethyl corporation funding the studies that said lead wasn't very harmful. ... Of course, that's the thing about science. The people doing research are separate from the ones providing the money. And people will put money behind the research that they believe is correct. This does, of course, incentivize some unethical folks to fudge numbers, but in general, the right way to approach this is to sep…
> people will put money behind the research that they believe is correct
s/they believe is correct/the narrative of which benefits them.
Unfortunately it's hard to separate funding from the science. What can one do? Ban privately funded research? Force funders of a study to fund another attempting to find contrary results/pick it apart?
While I agree that some source of funding doesn't automatically invalidate a study, but anecdotally (and probably empirically), studies surprisingly often agree with the people who fund them.
Re: When cigarette companies used doctors to push smoking (2018)
#29Look at the timeline: 1930 - first cigarette company uses physicians in their ads 1950s - evidence starts mounting that smoking causes lung cancer 1964 - US Surgeon General report on the link between smoking and cancer 1998 - cigarette companies still maintained that the link is controversial So it takes 70 years, or nearly an entire generation, before all of the machinery at play (businesses, government, healthcare,…
Generally, 25 years is considered a generation.
so nearly 3 generations.
Re: When cigarette companies used doctors to push smoking (2018)
#30fun fact: cigarette usage does appear to at least decrease the chance of you getting ulcerative colitis still a shitty habit to pick up though
There are better means to that end.. such as immuno-modulating parasites. The good old hookworm is a fine example.
(Not actually kidding)