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Re: Ask HN: Senior FAANG engineer, going back to school for PhD. Is it a bad idea?

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I am not a FAANG engineer but I hold a Ph.D. (computer science). I completed my Ph.D. in 8 years while I was working in the private industry. During this time frame; in my private life, I became a father ;) And, at work, my responsibilities grew - from being a developer to being a manager. I came close to quitting my Ph.D. many times and many of the fellows - who were also working in private industry and doing Ph.D. - quit in a couple of years.

I know the problems you mentioned are not the same as the ones I mentioned. What I am trying to say is; if you have some kind of stubbornness - and also you like to research, you just start and stick.

Re: Ask HN: Senior FAANG engineer, going back to school for PhD. Is it a bad idea?

#22

I attempted something similar and I lasted about a day before it dawned upon me that an MS was really what I was after. A PhD is really a young person's game. Just as you don't attend conservatory later in life to become a performance musician, you don't "catch up" on a PhD to become a research scientist -- that boat has sailed. I know it's not what you want to hear, especially since you're already nontrivially inves…

I have a co-worker who worked many many years in Research. He is currently the oldest or second oldest employee of a large research organisation. He finished his PhD a few years ago when he was 60+ years old.

Re: Ask HN: Senior FAANG engineer, going back to school for PhD. Is it a bad idea?

#23
Is the PhD worth it?

A million is a million.

Do you think you'd be able to recoup it in quicker time then the sunk cost in education?

I personally am not a fan of academia, but many on HN news are and believe the accreditation will lead you to go far. I personally believe it's up to your skills and network - what do you know and who do you know? You already are at a FAANG.

So it comes round to what's the point? Are you ready to forgo revenue for a PhD?

Re: Ask HN: Senior FAANG engineer, going back to school for PhD. Is it a bad idea?

#25
A doctorate is a nice personal achievement, but the opportunity cost is more than money. A PhD is a ticket that opens opportunities for teaching and research. (Mostly teaching.) You can do research on your own, without the costs of a PhD. You can strike up intellectual relationships with other researchers today. You can invent things and file your own patents. You can create your own businesses, selling products or services. You can deep dive into any subject on your own, today, and build yourself into a world-class expert.

> I’ve heard horror stories about abusive advisors, mental health struggles, low stipends, burnout, and lack of support systems.

Yes, it's a marathon. Some people really want to win that race. It is an accomplishment. A PhD might make a nice trophy, but tread cautiously down that road unless you very much want to slide into academia.

Re: Ask HN: Senior FAANG engineer, going back to school for PhD. Is it a bad idea?

#26

A doctorate is a nice personal achievement, but the opportunity cost is more than money. A PhD is a ticket that opens opportunities for teaching and research. (Mostly teaching.) You can do research on your own, without the costs of a PhD. You can strike up intellectual relationships with other researchers today. You can invent things and file your own patents. You can create your own businesses, selling products or s…

> You can deep dive into any subject on your own, today, and build yourself into a world-class expert

The down sides are significant and should be considered very carefully.

However, universities can sometimes be attractive and motivating work environments, especially if you are tired of tech companies and startups and don't need or care about the money you'd get from working there. As noted, you can try an MS (ideally completing a master's thesis which is something like a mini-dissertation) and see if it's something you like.

And I don't know how it is in your company, but sometimes interesting research jobs in industry are easier to get if you have a graduate degree.

Re: Ask HN: Senior FAANG engineer, going back to school for PhD. Is it a bad idea?

#27
I started my PhD in software engineering after 20+ years of industry experience. It was an interesting experience. For me I was able to delve deeply into the area of model based software engineering. (There is far more to it than just UML) By graduating, I ticked off an important (to me) item on my bucket list.

As I see it, there are two ways to engage in research. You either have an area that truly interests you and you are excited to deep dive into it for many years, to write about it and to give talks about it. The other way is to work within a research group on the principal investigator's area of interest and carve out a small niche within that. The former path (the one I chose) is difficult because you might end up with very little outside support. The latter, as I have observed, is optimal for those who have ambitions to forge ahead with a career in research. From what I have seen, it is the latter that gets the bad rap.

From a financial perspective, a PhD is not a good choice. But there are exceptions to that rule. If you are concerned about $1m opportunity cost, then it is a No Go zone.

As an adventure, as a massive self-growth experience, for cerebral persons I can recommend it.

With a MS you expand you knowledge by learning from others. With a PhD you create new knowledge and stake your claim upon it. It might be very narrow and specific, but it is yours. Well at least until others build upon it. That is how science advances.

Re: Ask HN: Senior FAANG engineer, going back to school for PhD. Is it a bad idea?

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A masters program isn’t typically focused on research. I don’t actually care about taking classes; I just want to do research. A thesis-based masters is just training for a PhD, so I would rather do the PhD. I don’t know what’s next after the PhD. It could be another FAANG job, founding a startup, or really anything. A PhD definitely does not help get me there. It’s just a personal goal

Why do you need to be in a program to do research? Are you looking for access to some mentioning that you can’t get by other means.

There are two benefits in doing research at an academic institution:

1. You have access to paywalled papers. The majority of leading edge research is published in high subscription fee journals.

2. You gain a great deal of knowledge and build international network of contacts by attending conferences and collaborating with others. Sabbaticals are another form of leverage.

Re: Ask HN: Senior FAANG engineer, going back to school for PhD. Is it a bad idea?

#30
You'll hear lots of glib remarks that doing a PhD "sacrifices earnings potential today, in order to have less earnings tomorrow". My wife did one after five years working in a telecoms multinational, and it was a marathon with lots of ups and downs along the way.

The main thing, w.r.t. tech roles is that a lot of the more advanced, and possibly higher paying, ML roles require a PhD in a related field. So if that's what you want to do afterwards it's an option.

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