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Tek Fog in Action: Targeting Women Journalists

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Re: Tek Fog in Action: Targeting Women Journalists

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Post by oefrha »

nindalf wrote: post #2

OP - don’t take it personal if this thread is flagged and removed from the front page. Yes, it is interesting and yes it has a fascinating tech angle to it. Especially interesting for me is how easily subverted social media is with the right tech. But you know who this is indirectly critical of even if he is not mentioned. There are enough devotees of that person on HN that every thread tangentially involving him bec…

I’m not Indian, I’ve never been there and I have like one Indian friend living in India in total, so I have no dog in the fight. But this kind of tribal warfare on HN does irk me, and I do often flag these stories as a result. Your meta comment not contributing much of anything other than slinging mud at the “devotees” faction is a good example of the kind of crap comments commonly seen under these stories, contributing to flagging by non-devotees.

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Post by w_t_payne »

sdoering wrote: post #20

Regardless of the current iteration. Regardless of this specific tech capability and how it is currently used in this specific country I am asking myself how a society can protect itself against this. If topics are manufactured and outrage is being artificially generated in that fashion classic media will probably jump onto the bandwagon because doing so will increase advertising clicks and views. It will increase re…

It's worth noting that our society has been struggling against malicious forms of political discourse for millennia.

Much progress against malicious political discourse has been made by philosophical and cultural innovations that aim to influence the behaviours of politically empowered elites, and to develop systematic approaches to 'fairness' in decision making (logicism, empiricism) as well as systems of political and personal ethics/morality (Stoicism, Utilitarianism etc..).

Today, these same values need to have a broader base within our society; most urgently within those communities who are most influential in driving technological change, but also within the wider community of those who are funding and using these technologies that have proven so effective at industrializing harmful political discourse.

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Post by lookalike74 »

nindalf wrote: post #10
anovikov wrote: post #9

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Your overt racism is perhaps 70 years out of date. Plenty of people expressed the same doubts in 1950, with good reason. There hadn’t been any examples of successful democracies outside of a handful of countries. But to repeat the same racist canards in 2022 is shameful. You ignore the evidence of 70 years of successful democracy in tens of countries around the world. Democracy backsliding is a recent worldwide pheno…

But it was a racial thing, heavily-encouraged by the losing party for years (decades actually) and with a well-documented history as such. Every U.S. Capitol police officer heard racial epithets before they were attacked on Jan 6 and racism fueled the distrust.

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Post by fareesh »

unmole wrote: post #13
fareesh wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not a fan of any of our political parties because they are all crooks. Having said that, I don't consider The Wire to be a dispassionate source when it involves he who you don't want to name. I'm not interested in who wins the election because I can count on any government to negatively impact my life by eroding my ability to support myself and my family through taxation, corruption and government ineptitude. Ou…

> enjoying above 75% popularity in the general population. What is that number based on? Their vote share in the 2019 general elections was ~37%.

The 37% number is based on political dynamics like the popularity of regional political parties and whether or not the political machinery is contesting in all parts of the country.

If you look at polling organizations that do "approval ratings" type of poll, they have been 50-70% for years. The recent West Bengal incursion is probably a good example, they went from no presence to becoming the primary opposition.

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Post by DocTomoe »

nindalf wrote: post #2

OP - don’t take it personal if this thread is flagged and removed from the front page. Yes, it is interesting and yes it has a fascinating tech angle to it. Especially interesting for me is how easily subverted social media is with the right tech. But you know who this is indirectly critical of even if he is not mentioned. There are enough devotees of that person on HN that every thread tangentially involving him bec…

Could you please explain this apparent Indian in-joke for us in the rest of the world? It would make understanding your concerns easier and would give us an interesting sight of what happens around the world instead of just spreading hush-hush conspiracy theories.

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Post by unmole »

fareesh wrote: post #27
unmole wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> enjoying above 75% popularity in the general population. What is that number based on? Their vote share in the 2019 general elections was ~37%.

The 37% number is based on political dynamics like the popularity of regional political parties and whether or not the political machinery is contesting in all parts of the country. If you look at polling organizations that do "approval ratings" type of poll, they have been 50-70% for years. The recent West Bengal incursion is probably a good example, they went from no presence to becoming the primary opposition.

In a country where even exit polls are hilariously inaccurate, I am not going to pay any attention to what approval ratings say.

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Post by gigglesupstairs »

DocTomoe wrote: post #28
nindalf wrote: post #2

OP - don’t take it personal if this thread is flagged and removed from the front page. Yes, it is interesting and yes it has a fascinating tech angle to it. Especially interesting for me is how easily subverted social media is with the right tech. But you know who this is indirectly critical of even if he is not mentioned. There are enough devotees of that person on HN that every thread tangentially involving him bec…

Could you please explain this apparent Indian in-joke for us in the rest of the world? It would make understanding your concerns easier and would give us an interesting sight of what happens around the world instead of just spreading hush-hush conspiracy theories.

The App in question is used by IT Cell, Internet Army of trolls, of the ruling Bharatiya Janta Party (BJP) with Narendra Modi, Prime Minister of India, as its leader. What this commenter insinuated is that quite a few of those trolls are active on HN too and they mass flag such, supposedly, Anti-Modi articles and get them removed effectively.

As an Indian, I do feel they are right since I’ve rarely seen such posts on homepage. Even this one, I found in Second Chance.

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