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UCLA Study Finds Laughter in 65 Species, from Rats to Cows

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Re: UCLA Study Finds Laughter in 65 Species, from Rats to Cows

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I wonder what their jokes are (outside of tickling) it’s hard to imagine a rat punchline.

I doubt any of the laughs are provoked by verbal ‘jokes.’ But rats are very smart, and play (wrestle) around with each other. It’s probably not too different from kids giggling as they engage in rough and tumble play.

I've seen a rat punchline.

One of my rats loved to nibble pencil erasers. She would find all sorts of creative ways to get the eraser from me. With rats, who need stimulation, it's good to have arms wars. I don't put the eraser in an impossible spot, rather a harder-to-get-to spot.

She figured out that if she distracts me while doing homework, I'll turn my attention to the distraction. She could then run around from the other side to scoop up my eraser and take it somewhere to nibble. I began to catch her in the act and call her name as if I'm frustrated (but laughing) when she does this, like I do with my children today when they put a clothespin on my shirt then run off. One time, she picked up the eraser and ran off. But I was too busy to play along right away, I just let her scoot off. So she sat there, with the eraser, waiting for me to finish and then chase her down. Apparently she was no longer stealing the eraser to nibble, rather, it had become a joke between us.

Re: UCLA Study Finds Laughter in 65 Species, from Rats to Cows

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This is one of the most beautiful ideas to have ever entered my awareness. Laughter is hard to beat in terms of sheer beauty--the more of it in the universe, the better. And on same planet what's more!

Not to be nitpicky but I would say there are definitely situations where laughter is not a positive (edit: or beautiful) thing – laughing at someone else's misfortune, laughing in pain, etc.

Tragedy and comedy are the basis of all theater.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to be nitpicky but I would say there are definitely situations where laughter is not a positive (edit: or beautiful) thing – laughing at someone else's misfortune, laughing in pain, etc.

Completely agree. However some of the most painful things I’ve done have been objectively hilarious. I wish I’d seen me drop a beehive.

From Paul Graham's 'Taste for Makers' essay:

> humor is related to strength. To have a sense of humor is to be strong: to keep one's sense of humor is to shrug off misfortunes, and to lose one's sense of humor is to be wounded by them.

Re: UCLA Study Finds Laughter in 65 Species, from Rats to Cows

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This is probably me not being able to “read the room” but this study both makes me very happy and very sad.

I recently watched Dominion documentary [1] and the more we learn about animals cognition the more I feel the weight of their massive abuse especially in the last 150 years. (The recent story of an HNer interacting with a spider on his desk was really cool though, I don’t have a link anymore.)

Without judging anyone or their behavior in particular I just feel repelled by our treatment of other clearly cognitive beings. The people working these places don’t seem like ones you would want around anyone in society either and I don’t buy the story that it’s only bad in some places. I’d wager that it’s really bad in most cases.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko

Re: UCLA Study Finds Laughter in 65 Species, from Rats to Cows

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For those wondering which animals… > They found such vocal play behavior documented in at least 65 species. That list includes a variety of primates, domestic cows and dogs, foxes, seals, and mongooses, as well as three bird species, including parakeets and Australian magpies. Quote from the UCLA Newroom article referenced in the OpenCulture article, https://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/animals-laugh-too-ucla-an...

Since this is so broadly spread among species I wonder if there are other forms of laughing that aren’t easily detected if you don’t know about it. Does some form of muscle spasms occur in all of these animals?

Closely watching my cat now.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely. Nevertheless, and to nitpick, "beauty" and "positivity" are not isomorphic.

Sure, but I wouldn't call laughing as the world burns "beautiful" either – more "psychotic".

see baskethead's comment nearby

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Ferrets vocalize quite a bit and I fully expected them to be on the list before I checked.

Anyone who has had one as a pet knows they laugh when tickled and "talk" quite a bit. When they are happy they make a hard to explain "cooing" noise as they go about their mischief.

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So what does that look like in a dog? My family has a dog and she has a pretty nice life and is usually pretty happy, especially when upsidedown having a belly rub. Are her flailing legs and head and panting considered dog laughter?

Maybe wagging? Some dogs play-growl when playing tug.

Re: UCLA Study Finds Laughter in 65 Species, from Rats to Cows

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This is probably me not being able to “read the room” but this study both makes me very happy and very sad. I recently watched Dominion documentary [1] and the more we learn about animals cognition the more I feel the weight of their massive abuse especially in the last 150 years. (The recent story of an HNer interacting with a spider on his desk was really cool though, I don’t have a link anymore.) Without judging a…

Cultured meat will become widely available soon. I have high hopes.
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