While might be necessary, doing such a dress down in public seems unnecessarily hostile and counterproductive, especially in the context of voluntary work. I know Linus is/was known to do this, but I never found it “cute”.
We do not break userspace (2012)
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Re: We do not break userspace (2012)
#22At first I thought "I am glad he is back to his old outspoken self", then I saw it is from 2012. (Don't actually now what he is like these days, just remember he did publicly repent some time ago).
I haven't been following lately, but last "outburst" I had noticed was two or three years ago. It was pretty mild compared to this, but used some harsh language - nothing at all profane, IIRC he still used terms like "idiot," "trash," and the like.
People still had a fit, saying he'll never change.
Re: We do not break userspace (2012)
#23I may be an average corporate backend dev, but if anyone I work with would react in this way after any kind of mistake I did, I would report the situation / leave immediately. Honest feedback is surely key to keep quality, innovation, and skills high - the thread has indeed a few lines of honest feedback (don't break user-space, wrong error) and the rest are just insults. I am pretty sure it goes against the Code of…
> I would report the situation / leave immediately. [...] I am pretty sure it goes against the Code of Conduct [1]
Back in the early 90s, I was young and working for a startup. I had a fiery and seasoned boss, who knew what he was doing and had very little patience for bullshit. One day, I decided I knew better than him, and implemented a solution that was way outside the spec of what he had asked for.
The next day, I came into the office, and he asked me what I had done. I gave him some snarky answer about coming up with a "better" solution. It turns out I had wasted a huge amount of people's time with my "solution" and it had become a giant pain in his ass.
He screamed at me so intensely, that I swear I saw a new vein bulge out of his forehead. He then proceeded to kick a full-height metal filing cabinet so hard that he broke his foot. I went to the bathroom, collected myself, fixed the problem correctly, and we never spoke of it again.
Would I have been better served with a PIP and a bunch of HR meetings to discuss my insubordination/personality problems? Probably not. In hindsight he did me a huge favor straightening me out. We're still friends to this day.
Sure, the new world of kindler/gentler CoCs sounds nice, but sometimes it takes hard people (with thick skin) to get the job done.
Sometimes people just need to be told to shut the fuck up.
Re: We do not break userspace (2012)
#24I may be an average corporate backend dev, but if anyone I work with would react in this way after any kind of mistake I did, I would report the situation / leave immediately. Honest feedback is surely key to keep quality, innovation, and skills high - the thread has indeed a few lines of honest feedback (don't break user-space, wrong error) and the rest are just insults. I am pretty sure it goes against the Code of…
This kind of behavior is obviously extreme and I agree with you if it comes as a surprise but I'd argue that Linus' short temper is a known fact and something you sign up for by getting involved in kernel development, not to mention I doubt any of this is actually personal.
IMO the modern trend of CoCs everywhere swung the pendulum way too much the other way in favour of attention-seekers who intentionally find things to get offended about and cause drama.
Re: We do not break userspace (2012)
#25This isn't really relevant to bring up in 2022. But this thread always brings a huge grin to my face. I'm probably one of the few that really likes watching the "Steve Jobs" level of product quality, just blast across the internet at all expenses. Because it helps me feel better about what passes for quality in a lot of my day to day. It brings me hope to see that level of passion over reliability. There's a time and…
You’re definitely not alone in enjoying seeing something like this. I would probably hate being on the receiving end personally, but I’m glad that this kind of sheer passion for quality exists in the world.
Re: We do not break userspace (2012)
#26i love this style. being able to honestly describe shit as shit is pretty good.
In one side of my mind, I agree with others that such behavior is unprofessional. Then I remember, this is pretty much his project, it may have grown in great leaps but it still started out as his personal project and he gave rules for working on it which were broken.
Re: We do not break userspace (2012)
#27I may be an average corporate backend dev, but if anyone I work with would react in this way after any kind of mistake I did, I would report the situation / leave immediately. Honest feedback is surely key to keep quality, innovation, and skills high - the thread has indeed a few lines of honest feedback (don't break user-space, wrong error) and the rest are just insults. I am pretty sure it goes against the Code of…
> I would report the situation / leave immediately. [...] I am pretty sure it goes against the Code of Conduct [1] Back in the early 90s, I was young and working for a startup. I had a fiery and seasoned boss, who knew what he was doing and had very little patience for bullshit. One day, I decided I knew better than him, and implemented a solution that was way outside the spec of what he had asked for. The next day,…
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Re: We do not break userspace (2012)
#28i love this style. being able to honestly describe shit as shit is pretty good.
In one side of my mind, I agree with others that such behavior is unprofessional. Then I remember, this is pretty much his project, it may have grown in great leaps but it still started out as his personal project and he gave rules for working on it which were broken.
perhaps he could have said it in a more gentle tone. but sometimes being tough can be more instructive for the other person.
Re: We do not break userspace (2012)
#29Linus is such an asshole. It's not even cute or funny. He's just an ass.
Was. It's so easy to find bad examples of a past of a person whose whole life was documented in the open.
Re: We do not break userspace (2012)
#30Linus is my god :) dont like it? Switch off all your servers :) and as anyone he has right to be pissed off from time to time. From what ive read its not first time.
So youre nice 1 time, then 2nd time, then 3rd... And well then you loose your patience.
Dont take it personally, just shut up and fix that shit xD