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Re: Microsoft Garage releases Mouse Without Borders

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Will give this a shot since maybe since its by microsoft it will integrate a bit better but yeah its nothing new. Many of you already brought up synergy as doing this same function which is true, I used to use that, but for the past 3 or so years I've been using Input Director ( http://www.inputdirector.com/ ) which also does the file transfer thing. I don't really see this being any different then Input Director..

To save some folks a click: Input Director seems to be Windows-only.

Re: Microsoft Garage releases Mouse Without Borders

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Before you pass this off as a Synergy clone, check this out: > As Microsoft's Steve Clayton explains, "I have two PC’s on my desk at work connected to 3 LCD screens and using Mouse Without Borders I can move my mouse between the 3 screens, even though one of them is attached to a different PC from the other two. What’s more, I can move files between the 2 computers simply by dragging them from one desktop to another.…

teleport for mac has file and clipboard synchronization

logging in though, no

Re: Microsoft Garage releases Mouse Without Borders

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. But Garage probably stole the idea. http://synergy-foss.org/pm/issues/47 Synergy isn't very developed but they do have an extensive roadmap, which Microsoft seems to have copied and implemented. This doesn't make them innovative, just coping a good idea. Maybe if this run on OS X I'd use it, but I'll stick to my separate Mouse/Keyboards for now. Btw, back in the day, I did love Synergy.

Synergy's been around for years and is still difficult to use. Ideas that don't have good execution aren't worth anything to users.

Sure, but don't go around acting like you innovated the thing. The MS blog post doesn't even acknowledge the existence of the other projects that have gone before.

Given the $B++ MS has sunk into Windows development over the years it seems a little embarrassing for them to bragging about ripping off Synergy (and adding file transfer and daily phone-home to Bing).

Actually, I consider the lack of file transfer and Bing integration bonus security features.

Re: Microsoft Garage releases Mouse Without Borders

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I like that this blurs the line between individual computers. To what extent does this combine their processing power though? Right now it just sounds like an easier way to transfer files. I wonder how much further this will be taken. Perhaps one day it will be easy to temporarily bunch together a few computers into one super-performing machine.

Re: Microsoft Garage releases Mouse Without Borders

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no idea what you're trying to tell me. How is EF related to developers working on side projects?

Sorry, I took "The Garage is a community" to mean non-Microsoft employees. More to that apology, a re-read of your comment leaves me wondering just what I was thinking. Alas, I'll continue with my thoughts; feel free to ignore them or consider them OT; I apologize. My point might be summarized or expressed in a different way. I worked with .NET for the last 12 months and I can remember (just off the top of my head) 4…

There's definitely a very active win32 channel on freenode - if not there's channel 9 (which isn't unusable) and apphub. What were you using ?

* Alas, I'll continue with my thoughts; feel free to ignore them or consider them OT; I apologize. *

Why use an unrelated thread to give a braindump ? You seemed to have no problems posting trollbait in response to this post.

Re: Microsoft Garage releases Mouse Without Borders

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the question is do you need a whole separate unit within a company to create this "innovation"? Sometimes in microsoft land "innovation" == "not reading widely enough".

I don't think the "Garage" is necessarily a separate unit. > “The Garage is open to anyone, which means we have people from all over the company working together. The Garage provides support through Garage Weeks, Science Fairs, free hosting, and a worldwide community to help you build things you wouldn’t be able to accomplish on your own,” Hawkins said." - http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/Features/2011/aug11/08-19.…

Fair enough (shamefully a bit bored and trying to create my own entertainment...).

Must be slow news day on HN if this is on the front page.

Re: Microsoft Garage releases Mouse Without Borders

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post #4

Before you pass this off as a Synergy clone, check this out: > As Microsoft's Steve Clayton explains, "I have two PC’s on my desk at work connected to 3 LCD screens and using Mouse Without Borders I can move my mouse between the 3 screens, even though one of them is attached to a different PC from the other two. What’s more, I can move files between the 2 computers simply by dragging them from one desktop to another.…

> In addition to the file movement features, Mouse Without Borders also allows the user to log onto all the PCs linked together by the program via just one PC.

That's the big one. I use a commercial tool (MaxiVista) right now, and I've used Synergy in the past (buggy). The drawback of both is that you need a separate keyboard for each system to log in, and then you can use the software as a KVM. If Mouse Without Borders allows you to log into a separate computer, then it adds real value above the others.

Re: Microsoft Garage releases Mouse Without Borders

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This is an internal tool that has been apparently been made public. All employees at MSFT get more than one machine connected to many screens. Mouse Without Borders was developed by a group of employees in their free time to make it easier to deal with multiple Windows desktops. IMHO it is much nicer and more secure than Synergy for managing Windows machines. It's not a clone of anything. The Garage is MSFTs version of 20% time where you can work on whatever projects you want. There are some extremely interesting and useful projects that are part of the Garage beyond this one that haven't been made public yet.

Disclosure: I'm a dev at MSFT.

Re: Microsoft Garage releases Mouse Without Borders

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, I took "The Garage is a community" to mean non-Microsoft employees. More to that apology, a re-read of your comment leaves me wondering just what I was thinking. Alas, I'll continue with my thoughts; feel free to ignore them or consider them OT; I apologize. My point might be summarized or expressed in a different way. I worked with .NET for the last 12 months and I can remember (just off the top of my head) 4…

There's definitely a very active win32 channel on freenode - if not there's channel 9 (which isn't unusable) and apphub. What were you using ? * Alas, I'll continue with my thoughts; feel free to ignore them or consider them OT; I apologize. * Why use an unrelated thread to give a braindump ? You seemed to have no problems posting trollbait in response to this post.

First of all, excuse me, I'm not sure what I said to warrant such an adversarial response.

Channel9 is not even remotely close to a support or technology centric forum. There are what, 3, 4, main forums with everything just shoved in there. (and sadly, while I'm at it, I checked. It's still the ancient, very broken attempt at a WYSIWYG editor in channel9. I've wasted more countless minutes trying to make a bug report or question look intelligible with this software both here and in the Azure support forums) Not even close to what I'm talking about. Nor is #win32 appropriate for .NET, VS, Azure, WCF questions, and they're quite happy to remind you of it. I've been there before in times of desperation.

I didn't find my reply to be troll bait at all (edit, if parent was referring to my other post on this thread, I'm happy to address my reasoning there, and shall). As I mentioned, I'm not the first to bring up the disparity of community among Microsoft products on HN... and while I misinterpreted the original post I replied to, I think my criticism still makes sense on this topic.

Why is it necessary for Microsoft employees to release tools under the Microsoft brand and control? This would be far better suited as an open alternative to Synergy, though that will surely never be the case. (Maybe lay off the kool-aid next summer. This isn't a battle, it's a perception as a developer who comes from an open-tool, open-community centric background who found the stark difference of the Microsoft-stack community to be a bit behind the times. I love c-sharp and .NET, we don't need to be extreme about this.)

edit: Further, upon more investigation, Garage doesn't even sound that great. It sounds like these projects are often rolled into MS properties (fine) but are otherwise only allowed to be released "every once in a while", only if there is "a lot of request from employees who want to be able to share it with their friends and families", according to this very article.

Re: Microsoft Garage releases Mouse Without Borders

#30
Two things - MS needs to learn how to make fun tech videos, and its just so uncool not sharing the code in the age of social coding. The music in the background is extremely loud, enough to drown the engineer's voice at times - and no demo? Just compare it with videos that come out of google (labs) ... The CEO(one and only) said it best long time back "The problem with Microsoft is that they have absolutely no taste ..."
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