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The lost art of recovery for healing

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Re: The lost art of recovery for healing

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Modern medicine is designed to solve a problem, but create many new ones through side effects. That's how they get patients always coming back and more money.

The more meds you take over time, the bigger those other health issues become. Soon you're taking more meds to solve the new issues, while creating newer issues. The cycle never ends.

This is why the right way to heal any illness is to take the long-term approach that involves sleep, correct dieting, herbs, stress relief, etc. It takes more time and effort, but you benefit by not creating more health problems.

Re: The lost art of recovery for healing

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A few passages from Limits to Medicine, Medical Nemesis: The Expropriation of Health by Ivan Illich, 1974:

"A world of optimal and widespread health is obviously a world of minimal and only occasional medical intervention. Healthy people are those who live in healthy homes, on a healthy diet, in an environment equally fit for birth, growth, work, healing, and dying; they are sustained by a culture that enhances the conscious acceptance of limits to population, of aging, of incomplete recovery and ever-imminent death."

“Man's consciously lived fragility, individuality and relatedness make the experience of pain, of sickness and of death an integral part of his life. The ability to cope with this trio autonomously is fundamental to his health. As he becomes dependent on the management of his intimacy, he renounces his autonomy and his health must decline.”

“The more time, toil, and sacrifice spent by a population in producing medicine as a commodity, the larger will be the by-product, namely, the fallacy that society has a supply of health locked away which can be mined and marketed.”

"Health designates a process of adaptation. It is not the result of instinct, but of an autonomous yet culturally shaped reaction to socially created reality. It designates the ability to adapt to changing environments, to growing up and to aging, to healing when damaged, to suffering and to peaceful expectation of death. Health embraces the future as well, and therefore includes anguish and the inner resources to live with it".

""Health," after all, is simply an everyday word that is used to designate the intensity with which individuals cope with their internal states and their environmental conditions. The society which can reduce professional intervention to the minimum will provide the best conditions for health."

Re: The lost art of recovery for healing

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post #21

Modern medicine is designed to solve a problem, but create many new ones through side effects. That's how they get patients always coming back and more money. The more meds you take over time, the bigger those other health issues become. Soon you're taking more meds to solve the new issues, while creating newer issues. The cycle never ends. This is why the right way to heal any illness is to take the long-term approa…

> Modern medicine is designed to solve a problem, but create many new ones through side effects. That's how they get patients always coming back and more money.

Come on. No one is designing for side effects to bring in repeat business.

The truth is we barely understand how anything works and there is a lot of two steps forward and one step back… or sideways.

Re: The lost art of recovery for healing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing is that in the US and increasingly in the UK, if you're sick it's considered your own fault, responsibility, and expense. Employers do not care about you, if you do not work they do not want you. From a purely utilitarian / capitalist viewpoint it makes sense, why pay for a service (an employee) if they do not provide? But there's a difference between an employee and a contractor. And it's not a human way t…

grewing up in germany I also remember that my parents/grandparents regularly went "on a cure" somewhere in germany (on top of vacation), often somewhere near the sea, which where prescribed and paid partially by health insurance ("parent-child-cures" where also quite common). that somehow changed a lot in my generation... protip for the german people here... you can claim up to 10 days "bildungsurlaub" every 2 years…

1ml of sea water contains billions of phages which eat bacteria, so I wonder if there is some truth with the restorative powers of beach holiday.

Re: The lost art of recovery for healing

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>Drugs can be the least of healing, and the idea that therapies must be something that you swallow or inject... This quite resonates with the current zeitgeist, there's no patience and "we" want always instant relief. If I have a cold of fill ill I just rest and recover (which happens seldom luckily). I'm also lucky as my workplace understands this quite good, some days recovery and rest are always better than gongin…

The thing is that in the US and increasingly in the UK, if you're sick it's considered your own fault, responsibility, and expense. Employers do not care about you, if you do not work they do not want you. From a purely utilitarian / capitalist viewpoint it makes sense, why pay for a service (an employee) if they do not provide? But there's a difference between an employee and a contractor. And it's not a human way t…

"It really blows for the employer, but in a lot of cases, it's the job that makes you long-term sick in the first place"

So because some employers are bad apples, everybody has to pay up? For many employers, that would be the end of it. Employers are also just people in most cases.

As an example, I suddenly became employer when my kids joined a privately run kindergarden. The parents all together were the employer, and there were two nannies. Any nanny becoming pregnant would already be a huge strain on the whole organization.

People like to think of "companies" as black boxes with infinite money supply, but that usually is not the case.

Re: The lost art of recovery for healing

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post #21

Modern medicine is designed to solve a problem, but create many new ones through side effects. That's how they get patients always coming back and more money. The more meds you take over time, the bigger those other health issues become. Soon you're taking more meds to solve the new issues, while creating newer issues. The cycle never ends. This is why the right way to heal any illness is to take the long-term approa…

This, of course, works incredibly well for tuberculosis and HIV, for but two example.

This comes from a flawed assumption that the human body has evolved to solve for all sicknesses. It turns out that it's remarkably frail. Yes, there are cases where side effect medical chains exist, but in many of those cases, we manage the side effects because the body wasn't able to fix itself.

Yes, you can make the case for type 2 diabetes or high blood pressure, but those are not every case.

Re: The lost art of recovery for healing

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post #21

Modern medicine is designed to solve a problem, but create many new ones through side effects. That's how they get patients always coming back and more money. The more meds you take over time, the bigger those other health issues become. Soon you're taking more meds to solve the new issues, while creating newer issues. The cycle never ends. This is why the right way to heal any illness is to take the long-term approa…

This, of course, works incredibly well for tuberculosis and HIV, for but two example. This comes from a flawed assumption that the human body has evolved to solve for all sicknesses. It turns out that it's remarkably frail. Yes, there are cases where side effect medical chains exist, but in many of those cases, we manage the side effects because the body wasn't able to fix itself. Yes, you can make the case for type…

There are always exceptions to the rule. This much is obvious and shouldn't need to be stated.

Re: The lost art of recovery for healing

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I'm surprised by the negative reaction to this in some of the comment. I don't think this is an attack on modern medicine or drugs, but I think it resonates because it highlights the impersonal, 1 sized fits all approach we often encounter in modern medicine.

I suffered a spontaneous pneumothorax (collapsed lung) at the end of 2020, and it was a difficult case that ended up with me spending 5 weeks in the hospital, a major thoracic surgery and home with a chest tube for 3 more weeks.

I'm extremely grateful to modern medicine. 100 years ago I would have just lost function of the lung and probably eventually died. 30 years ago I probably would have lived, but the surgery would have involved spreading open my ribcage and my recovery would have been much longer and harder. All the pain medications are way more effective than willow bark. So yes, profoundly grateful and happy we have modern medicine.

My doctors and nurses were all generally compassionate and professional, and overall I can say my care was good.

However;

The experience really highlighted to me how mental health or consideration of the whole person is not considered in today's medical environments. Most people intuitively knows that it's harder to recover, or even avoid falling ill when your environment is oppressive, never mind recover from major trauma. The lack of plants, fresh air, art or any other kind of environmental beauty, 24/7 artificial light, never getting more than 4 hours of sleep in a stretch etc. I don't blame the hospitals given the current environment they operate in, but it's clear we focus only on the person's issues in isolation, and try to forget they are a person, and the disposition of a persons spirit and mental state can either aid or hinder healing. This is true in an outpatient sense too, and even in family medicine (at least in Canada) where quality of life issues are rarely considered important.

Anyway, this is a long winding way of saying I think we can both appreciate the advantages of modern medicine while appreciating and desiring a move towards a more wholistic view of a person's quality of life and subjective experience while dealing with health issues.

Re: The lost art of recovery for healing

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post #21

Modern medicine is designed to solve a problem, but create many new ones through side effects. That's how they get patients always coming back and more money. The more meds you take over time, the bigger those other health issues become. Soon you're taking more meds to solve the new issues, while creating newer issues. The cycle never ends. This is why the right way to heal any illness is to take the long-term approa…

My dad likes to tell this story of building a house:

First you start with the a beautiful, pristine plot of land.

Then you dig a giant hole in the ground and cause a giant mess.

So to fix that, you pour a big concrete foundation.

But you are still left with a big hole in the ceiling, and that is no good.

So now you hire some contractors to put up framing and a roof.

But you are still left with some big holes in the wall, and that is no good.

So now you hire more contractors to put up exterior walls and siding.

But you are still left with some small door-shaped and window-sized holes in the wall, and that is still no good.

And they left lots of little holes behind inside too: The electrician cuts holes to put in outlets. The doors and windows offer no privacy. The shower leaks. The bathroom is just a series of open pipes.

So you hire more contractors, to add all of those details...

And you still have lots of holes! The windows and doors are drafty without their trim. The drywall seams look unseemly.

So you hire more contractors, to fix all of those details...

And now the walls have paint, the doors have trim, and the roof keeps you dry.

Was it worth it? You spent a lot of money chasing new problems that you created as a side effect of trying to solve the old problems. Was not the original plot of natural land already perfect, and could have simply be tended to?

Perhaps with some careful forestry, you could have enmeshed the branches to keep out most of the rain. It may takes more time and effort, but maybe you could have really benefited by not building a house!

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