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Re: My Personal Note Taking Journey

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Post by Jaepa »

58x14 wrote: post #16
Jaepa wrote: post #15

Well where 2 hours into this and no-one mentioned org / org-roam, so I feel a begrudging responsibility to do so. Org-mode is a combination of note taking, todolist, jupyter notebook, & calendar major-mode for Emacs. It is wonderful and terrible in a lot of the ways emacs itself is. It is incredibly configurable and extendable, and feature rich to the degree that discovering spreadsheet support after using it for 6 m…

Hey, thanks for the rabbit hole :)

Always glad to help. If you are looking for a direction I personally suggest looking at tecosaur config¹/blog² & rougier's assorted emacs repo³.

1: https://tecosaur.github.io/emacs-config/config.html 2: https://blog.tecosaur.com/tmio/ 3: https://github.com/rougier#emacs-hacking

Re: My Personal Note Taking Journey

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Post by Jedd »

haswell wrote: post #8
morninglight wrote: post #2

Just what I need. Another subscription service. Happy New Year

What is your preferred/proposed monetization strategy? I see this comment or some variation of it every time a new product is shared here that has such a model. What I rarely if ever see is a proposal for how the developer should make money instead of a subscription. Very often, especially for hosted apps, the alternative is not better.

Not parent, but ...

> I see this comment or some variation of it every time a new product is shared here that has such a model.

I observe something similar, but we seem to have drawn different conclusions.

> What I rarely if ever see is a proposal for how the developer should make money instead of a subscription.

At the risk of sounding trite, I think people who find subscriptions unpalatable would be happy with anything that isn't a subscription. These could be offered in parallel, so subscription-averse consumers have an alternative to evaluate.

A one-off payment is the obvious and most simple choice -- wrap some limits or caveats around data / transit usage if needed. Freemium option may work in some cases (I think there's sufficient successful examples to validate this as viable). (Only) enterprise users pay. Tier the offerings to protect yourself from the heavy eaters.

I don't think expressing fatigue at the relentlessness of subscription-ONLY services is invalid.

Re: My Personal Note Taking Journey

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Post by haswell »

Jedd wrote: post #22
haswell wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is your preferred/proposed monetization strategy? I see this comment or some variation of it every time a new product is shared here that has such a model. What I rarely if ever see is a proposal for how the developer should make money instead of a subscription. Very often, especially for hosted apps, the alternative is not better.

Not parent, but ... > I see this comment or some variation of it every time a new product is shared here that has such a model. I observe something similar, but we seem to have drawn different conclusions. > What I rarely if ever see is a proposal for how the developer should make money instead of a subscription. At the risk of sounding trite, I think people who find subscriptions unpalatable would be happy with anyt…

I think a one time payment is great when you’re selling a standalone app, but for online services, I don’t think there are many options beyond a subscription or possibly some kind of pay-as-you-go model, the latter of which has a whole host of other issues.

I don’t think it’s invalid to express fatigue at the model, but as feedback on a specific app/service here, it’s a bit tired without at least some kind of suggested alternative.

And truly I get it - I too have far too many subscriptions to things, but putting myself into the devs shoes, I get why it’s a prevailing approach these days.

Re: My Personal Note Taking Journey

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Post by FemmeAndroid »

bachmeier wrote: post #14
gennarro wrote: post #11

Would highly recommend reconsidering paper notes. Get a small notebook [0] and write down what you need. You’ll lose it and spill coffee on it but you’ll be fine. For the vast majority of things the note writing experience is what makes the difference, not the actual paper. For the rest a subscription is not for me, but to each their own. 0 - https://unsharpen.com/pocket-notebooks/

> For the rest a subscription is not for me, but to each their own. Apps like Logseq, Obsidian and Dendron don't have subscriptions.

I’m only familiar with Obsidian, but it’s business model does have an $8/mo sync tier, and a $16/mo publishing tier as well as a $50/user/year commercial plan.

Re: My Personal Note Taking Journey

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Post by rnmp »

I’m curious as to what made you choose Kinopio over Are.na. I use the latter a lot and find it really useful for unstructured thoughts. I mainly use it privately though.

Kinopio looks great I will take it for a spin soon.

Re: My Personal Note Taking Journey

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Post by austhrow743 »

simonebrunozzi wrote: post #9
iamstupidsimple wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People seem to prefer subscriptions to expensive one-time purchases... What's a developer to do?

What? Where's the evidence? My 0.02: people feel the exact opposite. People hate subscriptions, people hate not having control over something that they feel has been "purchased".

The evidence is all the companies moving to subscriptions and not back.

It’s searching app stores and seeing all the non subscription prices being <$20.

Re: My Personal Note Taking Journey

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Post by scriptdevil »

FemmeAndroid wrote: post #24
bachmeier wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For the rest a subscription is not for me, but to each their own. Apps like Logseq, Obsidian and Dendron don't have subscriptions.

I’m only familiar with Obsidian, but it’s business model does have an $8/mo sync tier, and a $16/mo publishing tier as well as a $50/user/year commercial plan.

You can easily set up sync using SyncThing or Dropbox or any other tool that syncs directories between devices. I did pay $25 because I enjoy using Obsidian - but I don't think there is anything missing in the free version. The best part is that everything including themes, plugins and themes are synced perfectly between desktop and mobile.

Re: My Personal Note Taking Journey

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Post by brnt »

iamstupidsimple wrote: post #3
morninglight wrote: post #2

Just what I need. Another subscription service. Happy New Year

People seem to prefer subscriptions to expensive one-time purchases... What's a developer to do?

> People seem to prefer subscriptions to expensive one-time purchases

Said no-one ever...

Re: My Personal Note Taking Journey

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Post by Tomte »

scriptdevil wrote: post #27
FemmeAndroid wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m only familiar with Obsidian, but it’s business model does have an $8/mo sync tier, and a $16/mo publishing tier as well as a $50/user/year commercial plan.

You can easily set up sync using SyncThing or Dropbox or any other tool that syncs directories between devices. I did pay $25 because I enjoy using Obsidian - but I don't think there is anything missing in the free version. The best part is that everything including themes, plugins and themes are synced perfectly between desktop and mobile.

> You can easily set up sync using SyncThing

Unless you're on iOS/iPadOS, as far as I know.

Re: My Personal Note Taking Journey

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Post by uniqueuid »

kirso wrote: post #17

I am a Logseq user. One thing I realised is that PKM people tend to spend 99% of intellectualising and fetishising different systems like Zettlekasten and P.A.R.A. when in the end your output is what matters. I wasted months, just to realise the tools or systems do not matter at all. Interlinking notes doesn't scientifically make you a better writer, writing does.

100% this.

Niklas Luhmann (who invented the Zettelkasten) invented his system because he was an insanely productive scholar, not the other way around.

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