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North Korea's Loch Ness Monster (2016)

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Re: North Korea's Loch Ness Monster (2016)

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I'm fascinated by North Korea. I think the author shouldn't be so smug about seeing through their propaganda. We have such a sophisticated propaganda in the west that it's much harder to see it. In comparison NK propaganda is refreshingly childish, funny I would say.

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What's another example? That the sun rises in the east? Oh, the fools who fall for propaganda!

Re: North Korea's Loch Ness Monster (2016)

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I'm fascinated by North Korea. I think the author shouldn't be so smug about seeing through their propaganda. We have such a sophisticated propaganda in the west that it's much harder to see it. In comparison NK propaganda is refreshingly childish, funny I would say.

>"We have such a sophisticated propaganda in the west" Do not flatter. It is quite visible and primitive.

Dude the fact you and him even accept the concept of "the west" is a testament to relentless and constant propaganda. That there is a unified front of "mostly white people" all sharing american values, guns and private prison alike.

Even China loves this idea of the western "box" they can put me, a French, in to associate all my ideas to every stupid american policies.

From Moscow to Los Angeles, everything west of China is divided, subtle and different. There is no west and therefore no western propaganda.

And I d say the american propaganda seems to work better than the French one. Where we try convince there is diversity, all you say is that "western propaganda is primitive" :(

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Funny, many Europeans say the same about America. Not defending NK but the situation has persisted because nobody wants to deal with the flood of refugees a collapsed regime would create. I wouldn’t count on the situation resolving itself in our lifetimes.

I always find the need for HN to look at these countries ruled by literal dictators and say, 'but America is bad as well!' incredibly perplexing.

Because “other country bad!” is quite frequently used in media propaganda to distract attention from domestic issues. This is in no way unique to the US either.

Re: North Korea's Loch Ness Monster (2016)

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I don't see the link between your article and propaganda. That seems unrelated.

NK propaganda is to portray themselves as "childish and fun" for the outsiders, so they won't look in the abuse they do at home.

A) No they don't B) That wasnt his point.

Re: North Korea's Loch Ness Monster (2016)

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I'm fascinated by North Korea. I think the author shouldn't be so smug about seeing through their propaganda. We have such a sophisticated propaganda in the west that it's much harder to see it. In comparison NK propaganda is refreshingly childish, funny I would say.

> In comparison NK propaganda is refreshingly childish, funny I would say. I think you're yourself falling for North Korea propaganda, the reality there is nothing childish: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-china-sex-slav...

The Korea Future Initiative is unsurprisingly funded by NED, making this article propaganda indeed.

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Funny, many Europeans say the same about America. Not defending NK but the situation has persisted because nobody wants to deal with the flood of refugees a collapsed regime would create. I wouldn’t count on the situation resolving itself in our lifetimes.

I always find the need for HN to look at these countries ruled by literal dictators and say, 'but America is bad as well!' incredibly perplexing.

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Re: North Korea's Loch Ness Monster (2016)

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I always find the need for HN to look at these countries ruled by literal dictators and say, 'but America is bad as well!' incredibly perplexing.

Because “other country bad!” is quite frequently used in media propaganda to distract attention from domestic issues. This is in no way unique to the US either.

To me it comes across as belittling the problems experienced by the victims of these regimes

Re: North Korea's Loch Ness Monster (2016)

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I'm fascinated by North Korea. I think the author shouldn't be so smug about seeing through their propaganda. We have such a sophisticated propaganda in the west that it's much harder to see it. In comparison NK propaganda is refreshingly childish, funny I would say.

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Available evidence strongly suggests Trump and his campaign coordinated with representatives of Russian government interests that involved both significant lawbreaking and a targeted media campaign that resulted in a victory for Trump that would not have occurred otherwise. Whether that's semantically equivalent to "colluded with Putin to cheat in the election" I don't know.

What you're saying, is itself an example of propaganda, in the sense that it's a simplification that while technically true leads a reader to reach a different conclusion that what actually occurred. And it's easy to do, because reality is complicated while disinformation can be simple. No, Donald Trump did not sit down in a hotel or pick up a phone and directly conspire with Vladimir Putin to scheme about how to change vote totals. Here's what is known to have happened:

Trump publicly asked Russia for help https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/donald-trump-calls-...

Hours later Russian military intelligence began launching phishing emails at Clinton's office https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/439559-mueller-russ...

Hackers aligned with the Russian government succeeded in accessing DNC emails and other information https://apnews.com/article/technology-europe-russia-hacking-...

Trump's campaign coordinated the release of the stolen information https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-campaign...

Trump's campaign handed campaign data to a suspected Russian intelligence asset https://news.yahoo.com/us-says-russia-given-trump-044416162....

Russian information operations ran an online campaign to benefit Trump's campaign https://www.npr.org/2019/10/08/768319934/senate-report-russi...

Russian efforts were decisive in Trump's win https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/25/17898804/cyberwar-kathlee...

Re: North Korea's Loch Ness Monster (2016)

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What's another example? That the sun rises in the east? Oh, the fools who fall for propaganda!

Unlike this Korean wall or any evidence that Trump colluded with Putin, you've seen the sun rising in the east.

Re: North Korea's Loch Ness Monster (2016)

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What's another example? That the sun rises in the east? Oh, the fools who fall for propaganda!

We got the triple barrage of putin's meddling, sexists and racists from DNC mouthpieces after the 2016 loss.

The only thing they really seemed certain of was that it wasnt their fault for sabotaging their only electable candidate in the primaries.

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