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Face recognition is being banned, but it’s still everywhere

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Re: Face recognition is being banned, but it’s still everywhere

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Pre-crime facial recognition surveillance is authoritanism. Post-crime facial recognition of surveillance is investigative process. The cat is out of the bag, the only thing that prevents it's inevitable abuse is strict legal framework for its implementation

> strict legal framework for its implementation and strict legal framework enforcement

Re: Face recognition is being banned, but it’s still everywhere

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You should also collect Sony Alpha cameras too. Many of them have a preferential focus feature which uses face recognition. You add up to five faces, prioritized, and it focuses to them if it recognizes in the crowd of people.

TIL, and this sounds actually rather useful. Do you have information on which ones would support that? Especially in the range a curious hacker (who else is HN for?) would be interested in.

It's especially useful in crowd gatherings, group photos and such. I think it's rather designed for concerts, weddings, etc.

My A7-III has it. Since it uses Eye-AF and Face-AF pipelines (it generates a face model from the photo you take for that feature only), it needs AI autofocus stack inside the camera. A7-C should have it, maybe latest APS-C lines (6600 for example) have it.

Sony's AF tech is insane. Point to a person with sunglasses, and it marks the eye instantaneously. What the actual sorcery?

Re: Face recognition is being banned, but it’s still everywhere

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Well, the Independent claimed in 2004 that the average Briton is caught on camera 300 times a day. [0] Since London probably has more than the average number of cameras per area, even if we wind the clock back 3-4 years, I suspect the answer is yes. --- [0]: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/how-avera...

Which is an amazing number yet the MET seem incapable of solving most crimes.

So why is that? Isn't this amount of surveillance basically a god tool?

Re: Face recognition is being banned, but it’s still everywhere

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Well, the Independent claimed in 2004 that the average Briton is caught on camera 300 times a day. [0] Since London probably has more than the average number of cameras per area, even if we wind the clock back 3-4 years, I suspect the answer is yes. --- [0]: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/how-avera...

Which is an amazing number yet the MET seem incapable of solving most crimes.

Probably because most of the cameras aren’t hooked to anything centralised or necessarily known about. Which necessitates an enormous data gathering and combing operation to find any useful of which there might not actually be anything. Cameras aren’t magic.

Re: Face recognition is being banned, but it’s still everywhere

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It was suggested in the early 2000s that a face could be tracked moving across London by the security services. What do we think, was it possible then? I have to assume by now they have intent monitoring everywhere and can probably tell when someone is doing things like planning a bombing etc.

Well, the Independent claimed in 2004 that the average Briton is caught on camera 300 times a day. [0] Since London probably has more than the average number of cameras per area, even if we wind the clock back 3-4 years, I suspect the answer is yes. --- [0]: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/how-avera...

The vast majority of cameras in London are private installations, rather than something hooked up to some central system.

There are the ring of steel cameras, but that area hasn't been widened recently. TFL cameras are possibly linked into some security service, and there's a fair few of them, but they're mainly pointed at roads.

Re: Face recognition is being banned, but it’s still everywhere

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post #8

It was suggested in the early 2000s that a face could be tracked moving across London by the security services. What do we think, was it possible then? I have to assume by now they have intent monitoring everywhere and can probably tell when someone is doing things like planning a bombing etc.

"Intent monitoring" is fictional and does not exist beyond scifi stories and the journalist written articles selling fear about facial recognition. I work in the industry, there is no such thing as "intent monitoring".

Re: Face recognition is being banned, but it’s still everywhere

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Note the immature (on purpose?) nature of some of these bans: some ban the local government only, some ban only one city of a multi-city district, and nearly all of them leave the option of hiring a private agency (with zero pubic oversight, because they are private) to do the FR for them. And that private agency happens to be owned by the step-son of one of the law makers. This type of legal nonsense is everywhere they are trying to regulate facial regulation.

Re: Face recognition is being banned, but it’s still everywhere

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Pre-crime facial recognition surveillance is authoritanism. Post-crime facial recognition of surveillance is investigative process. The cat is out of the bag, the only thing that prevents it's inevitable abuse is strict legal framework for its implementation

There's really no chance of that happening in the USA within a generation. The US federal government has decided that it alone is trustworthy, and that everyone and everything is a potential threat, and that it is entitled to unlimited and unrestricted surveillance of the entire country (and several others), regardless of what is or is not written into law.

Snowden even blew the lid off of it, and nothing changed. That's how you know it's permanent.

Re: Face recognition is being banned, but it’s still everywhere

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It was suggested in the early 2000s that a face could be tracked moving across London by the security services. What do we think, was it possible then? I have to assume by now they have intent monitoring everywhere and can probably tell when someone is doing things like planning a bombing etc.

"Intent monitoring" is fictional and does not exist beyond scifi stories and the journalist written articles selling fear about facial recognition. I work in the industry, there is no such thing as "intent monitoring".

"Intent monitoring" is a euphemism for detecting the presence of the "wrong kind of people". It's not fictional at all.

Re: Face recognition is being banned, but it’s still everywhere

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is an amazing number yet the MET seem incapable of solving most crimes.

So why is that? Isn't this amount of surveillance basically a god tool?

It's a very large haystack.
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