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Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start

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Re: Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start

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If this keeps up, some used cars will have a higher value than new ones. People will have to break EULAs to drive cars in mines or buildings with no radio access. "Error: please tow your car to an RF access area to enable movement..."

This happened to me with zipcar once. Truly sucked

Re: Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start

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That is just bullshit. A $8/mo charge for a app based remote start? I could live with that. Servers need power, the app needs updates etc. A $8/mo charge for something which does not incur costs for Toyota? Hell no. It seems like bit by bit - every single industry is going down a fucked up route. TVs with built in ads? Cars with pay-by-month features? DRM locked coffee machines? I really hope, there is some sort of e…

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Re: Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start

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If this keeps up, some used cars will have a higher value than new ones. People will have to break EULAs to drive cars in mines or buildings with no radio access. "Error: please tow your car to an RF access area to enable movement..."

This already happens to some rideshare cars -- I've read a few stories of people who drive their Zipcar out to a hike, but can't get back in the car after their hike because there's no cell signal.

Re: Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start

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post #6

That is just bullshit. A $8/mo charge for a app based remote start? I could live with that. Servers need power, the app needs updates etc. A $8/mo charge for something which does not incur costs for Toyota? Hell no. It seems like bit by bit - every single industry is going down a fucked up route. TVs with built in ads? Cars with pay-by-month features? DRM locked coffee machines? I really hope, there is some sort of e…

You're right to point out that these problems arise across entire industries. You can't vote with your money if all otherwise good TVs have crap built into them. And it's not easy for a new entrant to gain a foothold in such a high-tech market. And even if they do, there's plenty of temptation to go down the same route of milking customers who already bought your product.

Sooner or later, we won't even remember how it was before. Who even remembers the internet before advertising morphed it into something completely different? How long was that period? 5 years?

Re: Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start

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Actually this is fantastic for someone like me - assuming there are no security holes of course. I don't want my next car to have remote start or remote anything. If not paying the subscription allows me to make sure that that feature is not enabled, it's great news, for me . Of course, different people have different preferences and needs.

It's definitely still there. If you're worried about hackers etc, they can surely bypass this control if they've bypassed everything else.

I fully understand, that is why I noted: assuming there are no security holes

Ideally there should be a hardware switch :)

Re: Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start

#26

Sigh... While I look forward to having an electric car someday, the trend in new cars does not look promising. Far too many instances of car companies having too much control, because of the advent of internet-connected vehicles. Is there a solution to this? I don't know. Especially because I can see legislation cementing these sorts of practices in very much convoluted ways. One can only hope competing car brands em…

I'd like to get a Tesla, but I won't, because you can't own a Tesla. You can only pay licensing fees to be the user, and Tesla can modify or disable the car at their whim, while also tracking and recording your every motion.

We need lawmakers who actually care about privacy and ownership rights.

Re: Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start

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post #20
post #16

Actually this is fantastic for someone like me - assuming there are no security holes of course. I don't want my next car to have remote start or remote anything. If not paying the subscription allows me to make sure that that feature is not enabled, it's great news, for me . Of course, different people have different preferences and needs.

It's definitely still there. If you're worried about hackers etc, they can surely bypass this control if they've bypassed everything else.

"Im in! Wait! $8/month?! Go get mom's credit card"

Re: Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start

#28
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The solution is to vote with your wallet. These days consumers are pretty weak willed though and are willing to put up with almost any level of abuse for their shiny new toy. Look at what consumers are willing to (overpay) for during the pandemic as an example of that. $500 NVIDIA graphics cards going for $2000... Eventually people fed up with it will "jailbreak" their cars like the farmers did with John Deere tracto…

Actually it isn't. There are tons of examples of whole industries just switching to user-/customer-hostile practices/products, meaning there's simply no more way to vote with your wallet. Happened like that with even trivial things like the milk market in Germany. Within a year or two, fresh milk had suddenly all but vanished from the shelves.

Once pay-for-fob becomes the norm, good luck trying to enter that market with the pitch "well we give you the fob for free". It's hard enough for a venture like Tesla, which has some serious technological upside. This? Not so much.

Edit: another nice example would be news. Good luck finding a news outlet that's willing to let you pay a moderate fee in exchange for a truly ad & tracking free experience that actually covers your reading needs. Seems like a market gap, no?

Re: Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start

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post #16

Actually this is fantastic for someone like me - assuming there are no security holes of course. I don't want my next car to have remote start or remote anything. If not paying the subscription allows me to make sure that that feature is not enabled, it's great news, for me . Of course, different people have different preferences and needs.

Whether you pay or not the car will have the capability and it will dutifully ask the home server what it should do. Toyota will still be able to see exactly where you, what you're doing, and be able to unlock/start your car whenever they want. you just won't be able to.
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