Do you think natural immunity has any impact? If it turns out that Omicron has mostly mild symptoms, why can’t we infect the young and physically strong and forget about endless vaccines and boosters.
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#22I got vaccinated the first day I could and got the 3rd dose last week. My mother got the 3rd dose a few weeks before me and on the 3rd day one of her lower-legs went numb. She had some therapy in the hospital and is OK now, but I'm afraid how she could react to a possible future vaccination. I'm not even sure the vaccination was the cause. I have many antivaxx coworkers and I would never mention something like that i…
My friends wife lost an eye due to complications from a booster. The vaccine has real side effects, the faster we can have a civic conversation about it the better off we all are. I have severe cardiovascular problems and cannot get the vaccine. I’m judged and called an antivaxxer all the time. It’s not us vs them, we’re all in it together. Being open and honest is always the best path. Especially when you disagree.
I agree that everyone is a bit quick to judge, and I’m sorry you’re more vulnerable because of a preexisting condition. And I’m sorry to hear of that kind of complication from any medication. I hope she was able to make a claim and get compensation through the adverse effects program (assuming you’re in the US).
My dad gets the flu shot each year. He’s not an anti-vaxxer. The COVID shot seems different though.
My dad still refuses to get a vaccine because all he hears is mis- and disinformation. He’s recently changed to “leaning toward getting the shot,” which is great, but he wants to drive another family member around this weekend who is currently suffering from COVID-19.
Being open and honest with him, I told him the most likely outcome for him, and even held back on how grim his particular prognosis would likely be given his risk factors. But people don’t want to hear the reality.
That reality is that these vaccines are, statistically, safe and effective for the vast majority of the population. (I know that you weren’t asserting otherwise, and that you aren’t in that majority.) There comes a point when refusal to engage with that reality in typical circumstances becomes a dividing line. It might be fear driven for those who don’t have a contraindicated condition, but it’s hard not think of refusal by people in medically typical circumstances, at this point, to be precious and selfish.
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#23Pfizer must be in a tough position now: it has to demonstrate consistent YoY growth and the only way to do that is endless booster mandates.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
My friends wife lost an eye due to complications from a booster. The vaccine has real side effects, the faster we can have a civic conversation about it the better off we all are. I have severe cardiovascular problems and cannot get the vaccine. I’m judged and called an antivaxxer all the time. It’s not us vs them, we’re all in it together. Being open and honest is always the best path. Especially when you disagree.
I agree that everyone is a bit quick to judge, and I’m sorry you’re more vulnerable because of a preexisting condition. And I’m sorry to hear of that kind of complication from any medication. I hope she was able to make a claim and get compensation through the adverse effects program (assuming you’re in the US). My dad gets the flu shot each year. He’s not an anti-vaxxer. The COVID shot seems different though. My dad…
I find your story very interesting, because it's a pattern I've heard several times before: someone who does not want to get vaccinated because of the risk of side effects, but is willing to expose themselves, to a greater degree than is necessary, to the risk of covid.
It seems that for some people there's an intrinsically greater distrust of vaccines (a synthetic thing) than disease (a natural thing).
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#26I got vaccinated the first day I could and got the 3rd dose last week. My mother got the 3rd dose a few weeks before me and on the 3rd day one of her lower-legs went numb. She had some therapy in the hospital and is OK now, but I'm afraid how she could react to a possible future vaccination. I'm not even sure the vaccination was the cause. I have many antivaxx coworkers and I would never mention something like that i…
My friends wife lost an eye due to complications from a booster. The vaccine has real side effects, the faster we can have a civic conversation about it the better off we all are. I have severe cardiovascular problems and cannot get the vaccine. I’m judged and called an antivaxxer all the time. It’s not us vs them, we’re all in it together. Being open and honest is always the best path. Especially when you disagree.
Hacker news routinely removes comments about the vaccine dangers and calling it flame bait, and itches to ban me or anyone else who talks about those things.
It's a long time since we were in this together. It's against the people who don't vaccinate now.
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#27I got vaccinated the first day I could and got the 3rd dose last week. My mother got the 3rd dose a few weeks before me and on the 3rd day one of her lower-legs went numb. She had some therapy in the hospital and is OK now, but I'm afraid how she could react to a possible future vaccination. I'm not even sure the vaccination was the cause. I have many antivaxx coworkers and I would never mention something like that i…
My friends wife lost an eye due to complications from a booster. The vaccine has real side effects, the faster we can have a civic conversation about it the better off we all are. I have severe cardiovascular problems and cannot get the vaccine. I’m judged and called an antivaxxer all the time. It’s not us vs them, we’re all in it together. Being open and honest is always the best path. Especially when you disagree.
Your friend's wife and you are absolutely not antivaxxers. You're the folks that we're trying to protect with herd immunity via vaccination, because you cannot get a vaccine.
I'm sorry you're being judged, that's awful.
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#28Man who works for company which profits from boosters says we all need boosters.
Read the article. This claim is adressed. It‘s scientific consensus.
the science says that one vaccination is still sufficient to prevent severe disease, and that it is uncertain that additional boosters will reduce transmission on a country wide basis- things will still spread among the unvaccinated, booster hold outs, and those whos antibody titers have gone down after 3 months. It is absolutely not scientific consensus, then, that universal boosters are necessary or would be sufficient to end the pandemic.
I absolutely would not recommend getting a vaccine booster shot every 3 months. Your plasma cells are not meant to proliferate to that extent.
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#29Pfizer must be in a tough position now: it has to demonstrate consistent YoY growth and the only way to do that is endless booster mandates.
They don't have to demonstrate YoY growth. They would like to but they certainly don't have to. This is especially true for profits derived from acts of god.
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No this isn't whataboutism. My point is simply that "scientific consensus" has lost some of its brand value. Further, I'm not an "expert" so even if I did challenge the data or argument, I would be dismissed for being unqualified.
> "Here is the scientific consensus." >> "What about sugar." Is the definition of whataboutism. > Further, I'm not an "expert" so even if I did challenge the data or argument, I would be dismissed for being unqualified. Not always true. You just need to provide data (or identify an error in their data/methodology/etc.) that is convincing enough to overcome the difference in weight afforded to an expert opinion and no…
I don't think the parent is saying "what about sugar?", I think the parent is saying "why should we buy that this is consensus when consensus can be bought and paid for, as evidenced by this story about sugar and scientific consensus?"