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WhatsApp Launches Instant Cryptocurrency Payments in the US

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This is fundamentally a centralized system like PayPal. Most transactions never touch crypto. Meta/FB keeps some USDP at hand for those very few users who actually want to do crypto withdrawals.

Facebook has been trying to get payments into WhatsApp for a long time. This is just the latest experiment to try to find something that would be acceptable to local regulators while simultaneously extracting some value from the smoking ruins of the Libra/Diem/Calibra/Novi fiasco.

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If you think a bit bigger and imagine a worldwide audience (basically the defining feature of whatsapp), the initial killer apps here are remittances and the ability to build out marketplaces and stores. Assume the goal is global wechat-like commerce. IMHO this is huge. The regulatory interactions will be formidable because every country will want to get its fingers into this, money and who gets it is ultimately poli…

What makes it so huge in your opinion? PayPal and Venmo and the like already make this very easy, internationally there are some challenges, but it’s not technical limitations so much as legal/compliance which doesn’t go away with blockchain.

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Why crypto? WhatsApp users are not particular tech-savvy, why not just use Fiat? The use of crypto in here just makes it more difficult to understand for the end user, or am I missing something?

Hard to understand for the end user, barely regulated, as an international multi billion dollar company what more do you need? Except for even less regulation, but that is a given.

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> Users who are paid this way receive USDP, which can be withdrawn to a bank account in its equivalent value in US dollars. I feel like I’m missing something. How is this system any different than a centralized system like PayPal or any other traditional payment system, where users have a USD balance and can withdraw it to their bank accounts? If the company secretly removed the cryptocurrency backend and replaced it…

Pick your middleman. Using a crypto layer internally means you can circumvent traditional payment rails which means if you're in American growth-tech where revenue isn't a thing you can just remove all fee's for a while. Paypal could do the same for sure but chose not to. Disagree with the notion they won't be shutting people out of the network when needed, that's not grounded in reality.

Why did you put an apostrophe in "fee's" but not in "rails"?

This isn't a grammar-nazi criticism because I frequently make similar mistakes with pluralization.

It strikes me that there must be some cognitive explanation for why some plurals seem to need an apostrophe when other plurals don't.

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post #19

Can someone explain what’s the difference between this and when Telegram tried to introduce their coin?

Scale. Telegram has 50m users that use it seriously and all of them also use other messaging. Whatsapp has 1-2 billion, and for a majority of them it is their main or only messaging application.

20x larger scale means 20x more clout to bribe/lobby lawmakers and to get around the KYC/AML rules that are the main obstacle in these sorts of things.

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If you think a bit bigger and imagine a worldwide audience (basically the defining feature of whatsapp), the initial killer apps here are remittances and the ability to build out marketplaces and stores. Assume the goal is global wechat-like commerce. IMHO this is huge. The regulatory interactions will be formidable because every country will want to get its fingers into this, money and who gets it is ultimately poli…

What makes it so huge in your opinion? PayPal and Venmo and the like already make this very easy, internationally there are some challenges, but it’s not technical limitations so much as legal/compliance which doesn’t go away with blockchain.

> What makes it so huge in your opinion?

Whatsapp has 2 billion users, PayPal and Venmo probably only small fraction of that.

On Whatsapp you already have your friends in the list, on PayPal I personally have nobody. It's an additional hurdle, I've never actually sent money to friend/family through PayPal.

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post #13

> Users who are paid this way receive USDP, which can be withdrawn to a bank account in its equivalent value in US dollars. I feel like I’m missing something. How is this system any different than a centralized system like PayPal or any other traditional payment system, where users have a USD balance and can withdraw it to their bank accounts? If the company secretly removed the cryptocurrency backend and replaced it…

The timing of this is not accidental and Facebook is not acting on its own accord here. This is a move by the Russian mafia/state to make it easier to evade the imminent cut-off from SWIFT and global financial networks.

Just because Russia is a mafia state doesn't mean they're behind Facebook's payments initiatives.

To make this sound a bit less like mad conspiratorial ravings, could you flesh out how Whatsapp would allow Russian banks, government agencies, companies and oligarchs to move large quantities of money if they're disconnected from SWIFT?

For example, how would Russia get around the fact that Whatsapp is only offering this in the United States? How would Russians get fiat currency in and out? How would Russians circumvent the very low transaction limits?

Re: WhatsApp Launches Instant Cryptocurrency Payments in the US

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post #13

> Users who are paid this way receive USDP, which can be withdrawn to a bank account in its equivalent value in US dollars. I feel like I’m missing something. How is this system any different than a centralized system like PayPal or any other traditional payment system, where users have a USD balance and can withdraw it to their bank accounts? If the company secretly removed the cryptocurrency backend and replaced it…

The timing of this is not accidental and Facebook is not acting on its own accord here. This is a move by the Russian mafia/state to make it easier to evade the imminent cut-off from SWIFT and global financial networks.

What? That’s an incredible story if true...

Re: WhatsApp Launches Instant Cryptocurrency Payments in the US

#30

> Users who are paid this way receive USDP, which can be withdrawn to a bank account in its equivalent value in US dollars. I feel like I’m missing something. How is this system any different than a centralized system like PayPal or any other traditional payment system, where users have a USD balance and can withdraw it to their bank accounts? If the company secretly removed the cryptocurrency backend and replaced it…

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