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Re: Web3? I have my DAOts

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RE: Censorship You often see advocates of decentralization hail networks for being pro-immutability, battling censorship. How does it deal with data you absolutely do _NOT_ want to be shared and propagated around? I'm talking about things like CP, terrorist media, fake news, scams/frauds, and what not.

If you view 'decentralization' as a bucket of technologies underpinned by cryptographic primitives and blockchains, it doesn't.

This is similar to other technologies like cash, paper, and computers* which also don't, as technological phenomena, implicitly include censorship as a feature.

*it looks like consumer computing is moving away from general 'free' computing to ASICs from folks like Apple which likely will include built-in censorship features moving forward.

Re: Web3? I have my DAOts

#22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it depends much of expectations. It actually exceeded my expectations. I recently built a small and useless program in solidity and deployed it within few hours. It's definitely better than what we had available years ago (i.e. on bitcoin platform) and I see a future for it. I think it has chances to survive in this age of censorship and surveillance. Something that really surprised me was the signing/metamas…

"Sign-In with Ethereum" will be huge. I purposefully avoid "Sign-in with Google" because putting too much power in a centralized authority terrifies me. I'd much rather have the convenience of "Sign-In with X" but backed by something I have control over.

this already exists, just not widely deployed on web2. 'Connect Wallet'.

Re: Web3? I have my DAOts

#23
that Web2 VS Web3 schema pretty much summarize what's wrong with the new internet based on brand identities instead of technical merits.

A brief rebuttal:

- Twitter can censor any account or Tweet: yes, but Twitter is not the web, you can host your own tweets, even for free.

- Web3 tweets are better because decentralized: translations -> your thought are going to be forever visible to everybody and not even the author will be able to remove them. Of course any of those new shiny web3 logs can fail and everything can disappear with them.

- Payment services may decide to not allow payments: Web3 payments can do the same. There is nothing that forces me to accept a payment and if that was true, that would be a problem. I __do want__ to refuse payments from criminals and I do wanna know if someone is.

- servers for gig economy may go down. web3 servers can go down as well, they are made of hardware and maintained by people too. If, for example, Uber can't keep their servers running despite their profits depend on them, imagine what would happen if Uber was running on someone else's node who DGAF if they lose money or not...

Now imagine what would happen to me, a completely unknown anonymous individual, with no power.

What happens if something goes wrong and "my income is affected"?

Who is responsible?

Who can I sue in case the SLA in the agreement haven't been guaranteed?

Will "the decentralized network of 1000s of computers" reimburse me?

Re: Web3? I have my DAOts

#24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it depends much of expectations. It actually exceeded my expectations. I recently built a small and useless program in solidity and deployed it within few hours. It's definitely better than what we had available years ago (i.e. on bitcoin platform) and I see a future for it. I think it has chances to survive in this age of censorship and surveillance. Something that really surprised me was the signing/metamas…

Don't you need to pay someone to deploy the program?

On the testnet you can get free ETH to deploy contract(s).

Re: Web3? I have my DAOts

#25
I think the problem with the current state of Web3 is that it really doesn't seem to solve meaningful, mainstream problems yet.

Even the most widely accepted use case which is crypto-currency fails to break out of the theoretical value outlined in the different white papers. I own several crypto-currencies and there hasn't been a single moment in which I thought of buying something with a crypto-currency. I have crypto-currencies because I'm speculating in their asset class value, not necessarily because I'm betting on their utility.

Now, I know that crypto coins are indeed used in real service/product transactions, but I think there's a difference between the present economical use of cryptos and its potential mainstream use where cryptos can effectively replace fiat currencies in super wide economic settings.

I believe that Web3 would happen but I honestly can't see a clear trajectory for Cryptos, NFTs, DAOs etc to become effective instruments that can replace existing Web2 instruments.

In fact the reason why everything in Web3 feels like BS right now is because everything in this space uses Web2 distribution. People promoting NFTs on Twitter feels a little bit like someone faxing you a webpage. Owning the rights to a random JPEG is something that feels too abstracted from the present Web2 mental model and value proposition.

Re: Web3? I have my DAOts

#26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Sign-In with Ethereum" will be huge. I purposefully avoid "Sign-in with Google" because putting too much power in a centralized authority terrifies me. I'd much rather have the convenience of "Sign-In with X" but backed by something I have control over.

Like OpenID?

I’m a long time blockchain skeptic (check my comment history) but I recently came around on the SSO stuff and can vouch for it enough to say the magic words: it is in fact a novel thing that cannot be done without blockchain using pre-existing crypto or auth tech.

The reason is: With private key auth alone, you don’t have identity, just a non-human readable public key, and no universally known exclusive association with a particular username. With OpenID or WebAuthn or any of that, you would still need a company or org to keep a centralized database of everyone’s credentials and user info. With Blockchain you don’t: As long as the Ethereum blockchain keeps going, your info (username: “johndoe.eth” public_key: “420abc” avatar: “some HTTP or IPFS url”) will stay stored. This is the exact precise thing blockchains are unusually good at doing, and given how much people these days are hating on big tech companies managing their identities and harvesting data in the process, “SSO with no company attached” seems like a thing people actually want.

I’m still highly skeptical of art NFTs and crypto as currency and lots of other blockchain stuff, but in this one case they’ve won me over. This seems legit.

Re: Web3? I have my DAOts

#27

I really don't think that Mona Lisa example is correct. Maybe I misunderstand NFTs, but wouldn't it be more like a printmaker who can make as many copies as desired, but the museum sells something like the Artist's Proof and documents the sale in an official newsletter that goes out to all members? Yes, everyone else has a print or a poster version, but only one buyer has the Artist's Proof and can prove its provenan…

NFTs don't necessarily represent ownership of the underlying asset.

They're like minting a commemorative coin celebrating the asset, and only minting a single coin. The coin does not represent ownership of the asset. It's just...a coin. A token. Supposedly, the uniqueness gives it value, but if I decide to record a single fart, that fart is unique, but the uniqueness does not inherently create value.

An NFT for the Mona Lisa caries no benefits or rights, other than saying "I own the NFT for the Mona Lisa". It's inherently worthless, with a supposed value being created from absolutely nothing.

Anyone buying NFTs either doesn't know what they're actually paying for, or thinks they're going to be able to find a greater fool who will eventually be willing to pay more.

Re: Web3? I have my DAOts

#28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it depends much of expectations. It actually exceeded my expectations. I recently built a small and useless program in solidity and deployed it within few hours. It's definitely better than what we had available years ago (i.e. on bitcoin platform) and I see a future for it. I think it has chances to survive in this age of censorship and surveillance. Something that really surprised me was the signing/metamas…

Don't you need to pay someone to deploy the program?

ETH is expensive but there are other "cheaper" blockchains compatible with ETH whose "gas" price is negligible. You can also deploy for free on the "testnet"

Re: Web3? I have my DAOts

#29
There's a kool-aide concern here, which is: to play in the web3 world, you seem to need to have either a LOT of capital that is fine to lose or have access to this small community. The communities I've joined are indistinguishable from Twitch communities where there's a lot of bro high-fives and mutual appreciation for the riches being invented, not much concern for what the side effects might be. And because there's an advantage in staking, people who can afford to just leave money in these volatile currencies get richer. Not saying this is really any different than the world in general, but it seems like web3 advocates paint a picture of "disruption" that feels more like "entrenchment" from an economic vantage.

Re: Web3? I have my DAOts

#30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it depends much of expectations. It actually exceeded my expectations. I recently built a small and useless program in solidity and deployed it within few hours. It's definitely better than what we had available years ago (i.e. on bitcoin platform) and I see a future for it. I think it has chances to survive in this age of censorship and surveillance. Something that really surprised me was the signing/metamas…

"Sign-In with Ethereum" will be huge. I purposefully avoid "Sign-in with Google" because putting too much power in a centralized authority terrifies me. I'd much rather have the convenience of "Sign-In with X" but backed by something I have control over.

What's the recovery if your private Ethereum key gets deleted, or worse, stolen?

If you're signing in via some other 3rd party, you can change your password.

I'm just trying to think of how "Sign in with Ethereum" would work if you're trying to get your technophobic grandma that clicks on phishing links and responds to the County Password Inspectors [0] when they call to use it.

[0] https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2012-02-20

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