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Re: Sony Finally Fully Unveils Its Android Tabs, The Sony S and P

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Post by sliverstorm »

mortenjorck wrote: post #16
cryptoz wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was specifically referring to their installation of rootkits on consumer PCs through the Sony BMG CD channel. Also, their attitude about it. From Wikipedia: > Thomas Hesse, Sony BMG's Global Digital Business President, told reporter Neda Ulaby, "Most people, I think, don't even know what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?"

The rootkit debacle was six years ago, and was perpetrated by a business unit that is effectively siloed from the one that manufactures consumer electronics. I'm not saying your apparently indefinite boycott is unjustified; what happened under the Sony name in 2005 happened on the same watch that everything else in all its myriad corporate structures happens. What I am saying is that corporately, Sony is a complex be…

Yeah, but it's easier to just hate the whole thing. Similar to McDonalds- the Ronald McDonald Charity is associated with the fast-food giant, so obviously it is deserving of our disgust. [/mockery]

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Post by georgemcbay »

[deleted] wrote: post #19

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I agree. Asus and Acer seem to be the only respectable Android tablet manufacturers that get that pricing matters (quite a bit).

Yeah, people are willing to pay for quality, but given the huge ecosystem advantages the iPad has right now, your Android device would have to be many times superior to the iPad at the same price to think of competing. Meanwhile Android tablet makers are producing tablets that are often worse than the iPad 2 in ways that really matter (eg. even many of the high-end ones using crappy TN panels) and cost as much, if not more.

The HTC Jetstream is even worse, as the rumored price for that one is $700 ON CONTRACT (with AT&T), and $850 off contract. I don't even know how a decision to make that device at that pricepoint got made, but it is completely absurd.

Re: Sony Finally Fully Unveils Its Android Tabs, The Sony S and P

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Post by CamperBob »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #15
CamperBob wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But remember, he was fired for that, and was lucky to dodge a lawsuit from his own employer.

Was he? I can't find any news story about it.

Oh, that must be because nothing even remotely like that happened.

Lesson for the customer: Buy stuff from somebody else.

Re: Sony Finally Fully Unveils Its Android Tabs, The Sony S and P

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Post by CamperBob »

mortenjorck wrote: post #16
cryptoz wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was specifically referring to their installation of rootkits on consumer PCs through the Sony BMG CD channel. Also, their attitude about it. From Wikipedia: > Thomas Hesse, Sony BMG's Global Digital Business President, told reporter Neda Ulaby, "Most people, I think, don't even know what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?"

The rootkit debacle was six years ago, and was perpetrated by a business unit that is effectively siloed from the one that manufactures consumer electronics. I'm not saying your apparently indefinite boycott is unjustified; what happened under the Sony name in 2005 happened on the same watch that everything else in all its myriad corporate structures happens. What I am saying is that corporately, Sony is a complex be…

Sony is a complex beast, and one business unit's missteps are not necessarily representative of another.

Then they should be broken up, with the respective divisions required to maintain their own corporate identities, balance sheets, and whatever goodwill may be left.

Bottom line, the CDs said "Sony", and no amount of spin is going to deflect blame from where it belongs: Sony.

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Post by CamperBob »

sliverstorm wrote: post #21
mortenjorck wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rootkit debacle was six years ago, and was perpetrated by a business unit that is effectively siloed from the one that manufactures consumer electronics. I'm not saying your apparently indefinite boycott is unjustified; what happened under the Sony name in 2005 happened on the same watch that everything else in all its myriad corporate structures happens. What I am saying is that corporately, Sony is a complex be…

Yeah, but it's easier to just hate the whole thing. Similar to McDonalds- the Ronald McDonald Charity is associated with the fast-food giant, so obviously it is deserving of our disgust. [/mockery]

If Sony's not accountable for defects in products shipped under their brand name, then why do they bother to maintain a single global brand? Gee, it's almost like they want the benefits of a unified corporate identity without the drawbacks.

Re: Sony Finally Fully Unveils Its Android Tabs, The Sony S and P

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Post by pavel_lishin »

sliverstorm wrote: post #21
mortenjorck wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rootkit debacle was six years ago, and was perpetrated by a business unit that is effectively siloed from the one that manufactures consumer electronics. I'm not saying your apparently indefinite boycott is unjustified; what happened under the Sony name in 2005 happened on the same watch that everything else in all its myriad corporate structures happens. What I am saying is that corporately, Sony is a complex be…

Yeah, but it's easier to just hate the whole thing. Similar to McDonalds- the Ronald McDonald Charity is associated with the fast-food giant, so obviously it is deserving of our disgust. [/mockery]

> the Ronald McDonald Charity is associated with the fast-food giant, so obviously it is deserving of our disgust.

And why not? Just like with tablets, there are other charities you can contribute to.

Re: Sony Finally Fully Unveils Its Android Tabs, The Sony S and P

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Post by CamperBob »

wardrox wrote: post #18
cryptoz wrote: post #3

"It’s not about who makes them first, but who [spies on you the most].” I love Android and I'm so happy for its success. But I cannot recommend these tablets to anyone due to my boycott of Sony. Their lack of moral values and the way they treat their customers has led me to not just boycott but to actively campaign against them. Say no to Sony.

Are there any alternatives? I can't think of any companies off hand who aren't morally bankrupt in at least one regard.

There's holding your nose to deal with flawed companies with questionable policies... and then there's battered-spouse syndrome. At this point, anyone who expects a square deal from Sony falls into the latter category.

Re: Sony Finally Fully Unveils Its Android Tabs, The Sony S and P

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Post by billybob »

CamperBob wrote: post #27
sliverstorm wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but it's easier to just hate the whole thing. Similar to McDonalds- the Ronald McDonald Charity is associated with the fast-food giant, so obviously it is deserving of our disgust. [/mockery]

If Sony's not accountable for defects in products shipped under their brand name, then why do they bother to maintain a single global brand? Gee, it's almost like they want the benefits of a unified corporate identity without the drawbacks.

Exactly.

"This tablet made by Sony! You know it's great, because look at all the other great things Sony makes! It's the same Sony!"

"Didn't Sony do that rootkit thing and have lots of security problems?"

"Oh... well we're really a different Sony. Not the same at all!"

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