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ADSL works over wet string (2017)

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Re: ADSL works over wet string (2017)

#21

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Essentially you need loose electrons to conduct.

But maybe you could have different organic crystalline structures allowing AC currents to flow. Wildly speculating of course.. I was just hoping to tape in forest materials to manufacture low power electric devices :)

Graphite counts; if you want to manufacture it from forest materials, compressed bonded charcoal might work. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01675...

Re: ADSL works over wet string (2017)

#22
There used to be a debate about going All-in on GPON or doing FTTX with G.Fast. Now G.Fast is pretty much dead or niche at this point. The end of DSL era. While DOCSIS is still doing well in many places.

The next step would be to mandate fibre cables in all new housing. Along with ONT and Router in one solution.

Re: ADSL works over wet string (2017)

#23
ADSL, being essentially a form of alternating current, will pass through an air gap. I was enlightened on this by an AT&T tech who pointed out that one of my ADSL lines had several breaks and could not carry DC but the ADSL signal still came through. The other line was dead so I was running essentially on one wire with an earth ground. Here is an interesting discussion:

"Phone line with 1 broken wire still gets ADSL2"

https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/9yzp5wr3

Anyway, my hat is off to the people who designed and implemented ADSL.

Re: ADSL works over wet string (2017)

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But maybe you could have different organic crystalline structures allowing AC currents to flow. Wildly speculating of course.. I was just hoping to tape in forest materials to manufacture low power electric devices :)

Graphite counts; if you want to manufacture it from forest materials, compressed bonded charcoal might work. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01675...

True but its resistance might be too high maybe ? also it's not easy to make graphite.

Thanks a lot for the link though. Are you into green electronics by any means ?

Re: ADSL works over wet string (2017)

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Our homes' water supplies are untapped options for data connectivity.

joking aside, I remember a while back that there has at least been cursory investigation into running high-speed internet cables through water pipes.

Presuming you have water pipes to your property, could be easier than digging up roads etc.

Only issue might be if you have a leak and need to shut off your water!!

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/aug/09/uk-launch...

Re: ADSL works over wet string (2017)

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Potentially apocryphal, but Telstra's copper cable network supposedly had its insulation made of paper, not rubber. I remember when it rained the curbside pits fill with water, causing slowdowns and frequent ADSL dropouts (until things dried out).

I think this is common in places where they don't expect moisture to reach, but then things change and it gets there anyway. If your POTS lines are down and the telecom company is telling you a "wet pulp repair" is underway, your phones are going to be down for a while because a bunch of paper-insulated cables need to be manually rewired because they got wet and corroded. I found this interesting: http://etler.com/do…

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Re: ADSL works over wet string (2017)

#30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Potentially apocryphal, but Telstra's copper cable network supposedly had its insulation made of paper, not rubber. I remember when it rained the curbside pits fill with water, causing slowdowns and frequent ADSL dropouts (until things dried out).

I think this is common in places where they don't expect moisture to reach, but then things change and it gets there anyway. If your POTS lines are down and the telecom company is telling you a "wet pulp repair" is underway, your phones are going to be down for a while because a bunch of paper-insulated cables need to be manually rewired because they got wet and corroded. I found this interesting: http://etler.com/do…

I know there are some telecom folks on here that may be provoked to correct me but pulp was standard before the advent of cheap plastic insulation in the 1950s on up. I live in the midwest and my brother is a lineman for AT&T. There is an astonishing amount of pulp-insulated phone line still in service today.

In order to keep it dry, the conduit that the pulp lines are run through is pressurized to 5-10psi. Anyone that has worked with air compressors knows that pumping ambient pressurized air down into underground pipes is a recipe for condensation, so high capacity air driers are required to remove the water before it goes underground.

Any kind of outage on the compressor or dryer is effectively an emergency because water infiltration can happen almost immediately, creating an outage and extremely expensive repair.

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