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Our main problem in health policy is overemphasis on medicine (2007)

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Re: Our main problem in health policy is overemphasis on medicine (2007)

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But vaccines ARE the miraculouse cure, at least in my country the high case load is because of unvaccinated or not fully vaccinated people.

If about 80% of the population took it, we wouldn't have any problem.

Of course previous health issues matter when you get sick and of course we should encourage healthier living, but we won't change this in the next 6 Months, for that we have a vaccine.

Re: Our main problem in health policy is overemphasis on medicine (2007)

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A lot of $ is spent on medicine because medicine works. Alternatives such as diet, exercise either are spotty in efficacy or do not work. Medicine offers a quick fix and in some cases the only fix. Someone who has cancer will need to be treated with medicine, not diet.

Diet and exercise will work much better to prevent obesity than any medicine on market. It is just that long-term adherence to these things is very much determined by culture and will be much harder for Americans compared to Japanese, for example.

There are new discoveries in diabetes medicines recently but again, you will do much better by not getting diabetes in the first place.

The same goes for smoking which can cause, for example, lung cancer. Roughly speaking, once you get diagnosed with lung cancer you only have 40% chance living more than 1 year. Costly novel medicines often prolong the life by few months only.

We really need better health economy education for everyone.

Re: Our main problem in health policy is overemphasis on medicine (2007)

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Those aren't good reasons to reject an article. Would you mind reviewing the site guidelines? Note that they include: " Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something. " Also: " Don't be snarky. " Older articles and historical material are always welcome on HN, if they're interesting. Often they're more interesting than the latest $thing about $cu…

14 years old article is a good reason to take note of it as it shows it is not just some fad but important long-term issue. I don't think the issue itself is controversial. I was taught at university that our life expectancy is determined roughly speaking one third by our genes, one third by our lifestyle and one third by healthcare. And then it became apparent that most healthcare interventions (childhood vaccinatio…

(The classic flamewar topic I was referring to is the U.S. healthcare system)

Re: Our main problem in health policy is overemphasis on medicine (2007)

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post #21

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But vaccines ARE the miraculouse cure, at least in my country the high case load is because of unvaccinated or not fully vaccinated people. If about 80% of the population took it, we wouldn't have any problem. Of course previous health issues matter when you get sick and of course we should encourage healthier living, but we won't change this in the next 6 Months, for that we have a vaccine.

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Re: Our main problem in health policy is overemphasis on medicine (2007)

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A lot of $ is spent on medicine because medicine works. Alternatives such as diet, exercise either are spotty in efficacy or do not work. Medicine offers a quick fix and in some cases the only fix. Someone who has cancer will need to be treated with medicine, not diet.

this is such a strange comment for me, and I beg people not to reflexively downvote and instead join in for a discussion, but I'm part / have been part of communities where people ROUTINELY achieve remission from disease the medical establishment deems incurable I can go in further details if people ask, but lifestyle intervention has DRAMATIC results for many people, myself included, and results not provided by drug…

> and this is someone working in the medical field

Well, yes, even a crackpot can claim to be working in the field.

This in no way supports your claim of “routine” cures through diet. There is no evidence that a fucking keto diet will cure cancer* and it doesn’t pass any sniff test as at the end of the day your body still runs on glucose. This is pretty much an insult to anyone not fortunate enough for their cancer to go spontaneously into remission - and looking at the loon you posted, both he and a family member had some amount of treatment before diet, confounding any claim that diet was responsible for remission.

* whether such a diet can have some survivability benefits or some better or worse outcome is an open question, which has nothing to do with your crackpot claims.

Re: Our main problem in health policy is overemphasis on medicine (2007)

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this is such a strange comment for me, and I beg people not to reflexively downvote and instead join in for a discussion, but I'm part / have been part of communities where people ROUTINELY achieve remission from disease the medical establishment deems incurable I can go in further details if people ask, but lifestyle intervention has DRAMATIC results for many people, myself included, and results not provided by drug…

> and this is someone working in the medical field Well, yes, even a crackpot can claim to be working in the field. This in no way supports your claim of “routine” cures through diet. There is no evidence that a fucking keto diet will cure cancer* and it doesn’t pass any sniff test as at the end of the day your body still runs on glucose. This is pretty much an insult to anyone not fortunate enough for their cancer t…

I am only replying to your incendiary comment to say that your characterization is insulting and wrong, "fucking keto diet"(s) are having results for many people, whether you like it or not

Others, please research this person further, he's not a "loon" / "crackpot" just a regular smart young person who also happens to be a cancer researcher.

BTW, keto also cures epilepsy, and that's known since the early 20th century, is that also triggering to you?

Re: Our main problem in health policy is overemphasis on medicine (2007)

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The US adult obesity rate is 42.4% [1]. To get to 75% of deaths being obese people, you'd need about a 4x death rate of obese people compared to non-obese people. Most obese people find it extremely hard to stop being obese and often fail despite immense effort. Meanwhile, getting a COVID vaccine reduces the chance of death by >10x at a cost of [1] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db360.htm

It could be true that obese have 4 times higher death rate. Note that obesity often comes together with diabetes and cardiovascular diseases which increase the risk even more.

Vaccines are effective, they reduce death rate approximately 10 times. It still seemed quite high that several EU countries have reintroduced restrictions despite good vaccination uptake.

Besides this is about long-term issues, not just covid or something we can fix in 1 or 2 years.

Re: Our main problem in health policy is overemphasis on medicine (2007)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is such a strange comment for me, and I beg people not to reflexively downvote and instead join in for a discussion, but I'm part / have been part of communities where people ROUTINELY achieve remission from disease the medical establishment deems incurable I can go in further details if people ask, but lifestyle intervention has DRAMATIC results for many people, myself included, and results not provided by drug…

> and this is someone working in the medical field Well, yes, even a crackpot can claim to be working in the field. This in no way supports your claim of “routine” cures through diet. There is no evidence that a fucking keto diet will cure cancer* and it doesn’t pass any sniff test as at the end of the day your body still runs on glucose. This is pretty much an insult to anyone not fortunate enough for their cancer t…

Also, re: this caricature you make of these "keto" diet cancer plans, it's not true that the "body still runs on glucose", in fact only 25 grams of glucose are manufactured by the liver per day in the absence of dietary carbohydrates. And I don't claim to know the mechanisms, but I know FOR SURE that human beings (and no other animal for that matter) evolved to live on candy bars and sugar water, and that replacing one's diet with something species-appropriate and nutritionally replete is bound to have some effect.

Re: Our main problem in health policy is overemphasis on medicine (2007)

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The US adult obesity rate is 42.4% [1]. To get to 75% of deaths being obese people, you'd need about a 4x death rate of obese people compared to non-obese people. Most obese people find it extremely hard to stop being obese and often fail despite immense effort. Meanwhile, getting a COVID vaccine reduces the chance of death by >10x at a cost of [1] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db360.htm

> Most obese people find it extremely hard to stop being obese and often fail despite immense effort.

I used to help out at a slimming group. Like many self-improvement quests, the effort waxes and wanes. Much as I wished for people to achieve their dream of being slimmer, and even though their wishes and often their attempts were laudable, I wouldn't call them "immense". They're people, most wanted an easy fix and struggled to remain dedicated when faced with the harder bits.

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