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Re: Why no Steam, Notch?

#21

Post by fletchowns »

bstar77 wrote: post #18

I really hope Notch comes up with something more interesting than capes for the Minecraft market. I could see something like a robust world generator being extremely interesting, but premium hats and capes has to be one of the stupidest concepts in the history of gaming. I don't like DLC's either, but I guess I just don't like any games enough to care. What I'm trying to say is that I'd like minecraft to stay in it's…

premium hats and capes has to be one of the stupidest concepts in the history of gaming.

Apparently you are unaware of the runaway success of the Mann Co Store in TF2, which has done so well that TF2 is now Free-to-Play. Hats are among the variety of items that are sold on the Mann Co Store.

Re: Why no Steam, Notch?

#22

Post by masklinn »

bstar77 wrote: post #18

I really hope Notch comes up with something more interesting than capes for the Minecraft market. I could see something like a robust world generator being extremely interesting, but premium hats and capes has to be one of the stupidest concepts in the history of gaming. I don't like DLC's either, but I guess I just don't like any games enough to care. What I'm trying to say is that I'd like minecraft to stay in it's…

> premium hats [...] has to be one of the stupidest concepts in the history of gaming

You... have never heard of Team Fortress 2 have you?

http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Mann_Co._Store#Headgear

For the last few years, TF2 has been called "a war-themed hat simulator".

Re: Why no Steam, Notch?

#23

Post by dkersten »

bugsy wrote: post #17
streptomycin wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://www.minecraft.net/about.jsp > I'm not very happy with the draconian nature of (L)GPL

He's right that GPL is draconian and limits freedom. But I am not sure your point because you didn't state it. You have a drive by post where you post some cryptic excerpt that seems unrelated to the topic with no commentary. Are you a posting bot, or are you a person with a point? Speak clearly. Explain yourself. If the intent is to be critical of notch, I can't see any fault in his saying he hopes to release source…

I agree with everything you said, except for the following:

release as public domain, which means completely unencumbered and free

In general, this is true, but some countries do not have a concept of public domain and so releasing it into the public domain would make it completely unusable to people in those countries. Personally, I would prefer either the BSD or MIT license or something like the WTFPL[1].

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTFPL

Re: Why no Steam, Notch?

#24

Post by thestoicjester »

fletchowns wrote: post #21
bstar77 wrote: post #18

I really hope Notch comes up with something more interesting than capes for the Minecraft market. I could see something like a robust world generator being extremely interesting, but premium hats and capes has to be one of the stupidest concepts in the history of gaming. I don't like DLC's either, but I guess I just don't like any games enough to care. What I'm trying to say is that I'd like minecraft to stay in it's…

premium hats and capes has to be one of the stupidest concepts in the history of gaming. Apparently you are unaware of the runaway success of the Mann Co Store in TF2, which has done so well that TF2 is now Free-to-Play. Hats are among the variety of items that are sold on the Mann Co Store.

Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's not stupid.

Re: Why no Steam, Notch?

#25

Post by danso »

doctoboggan wrote: post #7
shoota wrote: post #3

Then why are they bringing Minecraft to the XBOX 360 which is a much more locked down platform than steam?

Steam is merely a new distribution system for a platform Notch has already shipped on while the XBOX 360 is a totally new platform with its own required distribution system.

Wonder how well this is going to go...I bought the Orange Box for the 360 when it first came out. TF2 has not seen any of the updates that the PC has had for the past 3 years.

Re: Why no Steam, Notch?

#26

Post by sid0 »

bstar77 wrote: post #18

I really hope Notch comes up with something more interesting than capes for the Minecraft market. I could see something like a robust world generator being extremely interesting, but premium hats and capes has to be one of the stupidest concepts in the history of gaming. I don't like DLC's either, but I guess I just don't like any games enough to care. What I'm trying to say is that I'd like minecraft to stay in it's…

The best and most unique TF2 hats sell for over a thousand dollars on the market.

Re: Why no Steam, Notch?

#27

Post by psykotic »

wmobit wrote: post #19
bugsy wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's right that GPL is draconian and limits freedom. But I am not sure your point because you didn't state it. You have a drive by post where you post some cryptic excerpt that seems unrelated to the topic with no commentary. Are you a posting bot, or are you a person with a point? Speak clearly. Explain yourself. If the intent is to be critical of notch, I can't see any fault in his saying he hopes to release source…

Saying the GPL is draconian and limits freedom is like saying the 13th amendment limits freedom since it takes away your right to own slaves.

That rhetorical stance you take is particularly irksome when someone is talking about giving away their own code. He isn't whining that library X isn't under the GPL/LGPL. He's saying that'd he'd rather just give away his code entirely with no legal strings attached whatsoever.

Re: Why no Steam, Notch?

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Post by masklinn »

thestoicjester wrote: post #24
fletchowns wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

premium hats and capes has to be one of the stupidest concepts in the history of gaming. Apparently you are unaware of the runaway success of the Mann Co Store in TF2, which has done so well that TF2 is now Free-to-Play. Hats are among the variety of items that are sold on the Mann Co Store.

Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's not stupid.

If it works, how's it stupid?

Re: Why no Steam, Notch?

#29

Post by bena »

mcantor wrote: post #4

I really admire how much Notch seems to understand opposing viewpoints that most people would simply make inflammatory posts about. His diplomacy here, as well as with Bethesda, has been stellar: Not "Steam is a DRM-ridden mess that I wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole, bwa ha ha!", but instead, "I understand why they'd want to control their platform." Not "Bethesda are an Orwellian corporate giant trying to crush t…

"His diplomacy here, as well as with Bethesda, has been stellar"

I don't think his diplomacy regarding Bethesda has been all that great. Openly mocking their claims probably hasn't earned him any goodwill. The quiz was pretty bad, especially the insult at the end. The tweets and encouragement of people ironically getting the two products confused also hurts his case.

Re: Why no Steam, Notch?

#30

Post by georgemcbay »

dkersten wrote: post #23
bugsy wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's right that GPL is draconian and limits freedom. But I am not sure your point because you didn't state it. You have a drive by post where you post some cryptic excerpt that seems unrelated to the topic with no commentary. Are you a posting bot, or are you a person with a point? Speak clearly. Explain yourself. If the intent is to be critical of notch, I can't see any fault in his saying he hopes to release source…

I agree with everything you said, except for the following: release as public domain, which means completely unencumbered and free In general, this is true, but some countries do not have a concept of public domain and so releasing it into the public domain would make it completely unusable to people in those countries. Personally, I would prefer either the BSD or MIT license or something like the WTFPL[1]. [1] http:…

Re: people in countries without public domain... is that a real actual problem that actually impacts people?

I mean, suppose a user in Nopublicdomainistan uses some software that is released in the public domain... clearly the author is never going to come after them for a copyright violation, even if their local government doesn't recognize public domain as a concept, so what is the actual real world problem they face in this situation?

I just don't see this as being a real problem.

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