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People in 150 cities globally standing up to authoritarian controls on freedoms

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Re: People in 150 cities globally standing up to authoritarian controls on freedoms

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Post by Jugurtha »

zo1 wrote: post #5
Jugurtha wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The peaceful protests in Algeria, gathering hundreds of thousands and sometimes millions, nation wide, every week, for close to three years, were 'barely' covered, even less so when the people were brutally assaulted and arrested by the thousands. There are some of them still in jail, they were snatched from cafés or from home. Some of them were arrested for a Facebook status, or a cartoon. Some were arrested for 'in…

I didn't know about those protests at all till your comment.

Yeah. Considering they led to a President resigning after 20 years of systematic power concentration, to the head of intelligence services being thrown in jail, to a purge where prime ministers, ministers, generals, the head of the Police, and a bunch of other people going to jail, and the people still demanding that those who are throwing these 'corrupt' people in jail and the judges and prosecutors be removed, as they themselves are considered corrupt.

In complete darkness internationally for three years.

There are massive numbers of people fleeing the country not because there is violence, but because they don't see hope. I think there are more who left the country now than during the decade of civil war.

Re: People in 150 cities globally standing up to authoritarian controls on freedoms

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Post by akudha »

agentgumshoe wrote: post #13
ColinHayhurst wrote: post #2

One has to wonder why these protests, which happen every week and are big, barely get reported in the media. When they are mentioned many people denounce them as being a bunch of anti-vaxxers. This is far from true, but like so much propoganda nowadays has an element of truth. Personally, I'm pro-vaccine, double jabbed and luckily no bad experiences with side effects. But I'm vehemently anti-vaccine passport. Every o…

I think that's the sad thing about it all. There's a self-righteousness about those who got vaxxed 'for the greater good' even as the vaccine fails to do its job, able to hand wave away 100's of thousands of people peacefully protesting as time wasters or 'anti-vaxxers' instead of considering that maybe, just maybe there's a concern or two they should actually be thinking about. Especially when the media seems extrem…

even as the vaccine fails to do its job,

Wait, I was led to believe that the vaccine doesn't necessarily stop you from catching covid, it just doesn't put you in the hospital on ventilators. If that is correct, then the vaccine IS doing its job, no?

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Post by tgv »

nnx wrote: post #6
ColinHayhurst wrote: post #2

One has to wonder why these protests, which happen every week and are big, barely get reported in the media. When they are mentioned many people denounce them as being a bunch of anti-vaxxers. This is far from true, but like so much propoganda nowadays has an element of truth. Personally, I'm pro-vaccine, double jabbed and luckily no bad experiences with side effects. But I'm vehemently anti-vaccine passport. Every o…

> vaccine passports are likely to be if anything counterproductive Clearly, or at least there are absolutely zero studies to show they are helping in any way. And yet more and more countries are trying to impose them in lockstep fashion.

That's not the question; at best it's a naive frame. The question is: is there evidence that shows they're counterproductive?

> in lockstep fashion

A not so naive frame.

Re: People in 150 cities globally standing up to authoritarian controls on freedoms

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Post by wsc981 »

Febra33 wrote: post #7
ColinHayhurst wrote: post #2

One has to wonder why these protests, which happen every week and are big, barely get reported in the media. When they are mentioned many people denounce them as being a bunch of anti-vaxxers. This is far from true, but like so much propoganda nowadays has an element of truth. Personally, I'm pro-vaccine, double jabbed and luckily no bad experiences with side effects. But I'm vehemently anti-vaccine passport. Every o…

> But the vaccinated are being infected at higher rates than the non-vaccinated according to UK govt data I just checked your source and can't find anything to confirm your claim. Just take the latest vaccine surveillance report https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/... and please do tell me where it confirms your claim that vaccinated people are infected at higher rates than the non-vaccinated.…

In Germany a MP has compared statistics of various states and noticed more excess deaths in states that have higher vaccination rates. She has asked to German Ministry of Health to look into the cause.

https://youtu.be/iKVOqYUAHTo

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Post by plantain »

crimsonnoodle58 wrote: post #18
Febra33 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But the vaccinated are being infected at higher rates than the non-vaccinated according to UK govt data I just checked your source and can't find anything to confirm your claim. Just take the latest vaccine surveillance report https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/... and please do tell me where it confirms your claim that vaccinated people are infected at higher rates than the non-vaccinated.…

From the PDF you linked. Go to Table 6. First and second columns are shown per 100,000 people. For ages 18-80 the cases per 100,000 people are the same or higher (up to 2x higher) in the fully vaccinated vs the unvaccinated.

Isn't that entirely expected with most of the population vaccinated? I imagine most car crash deaths are from those wearing seatbelts too.

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Post by djantje »

crimsonnoodle58 wrote: post #18
Febra33 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But the vaccinated are being infected at higher rates than the non-vaccinated according to UK govt data I just checked your source and can't find anything to confirm your claim. Just take the latest vaccine surveillance report https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/... and please do tell me where it confirms your claim that vaccinated people are infected at higher rates than the non-vaccinated.…

From the PDF you linked. Go to Table 6. First and second columns are shown per 100,000 people. For ages 18-80 the cases per 100,000 people are the same or higher (up to 2x higher) in the fully vaccinated vs the unvaccinated.

If 100% of the people are vaccinated, 100% of the infections will be from vaccinated people.

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Post by _Microft »

mordae wrote: post #14

In my country, they have recently started with jews-in-nazi-Germany fearmongering. It's incredible, how fast does the Facebook schismogenesis work. "We all need to get vaccinated!" "But I am afraid!" "You are unsafe for your community and should be ashamed!" "I don't want to be stigmatized. Why are you pushing this so hard?" "You are now required to prove that you have complied to live a normal life." "This is litera…

> a syndicated stream of uncredentialed nobodies who have just happened to win an algorithmic [lottery]

This might be the most appropriate description of social media that I ever got to read.

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Post by rbut »

Jugurtha wrote: post #3
ColinHayhurst wrote: post #2

One has to wonder why these protests, which happen every week and are big, barely get reported in the media. When they are mentioned many people denounce them as being a bunch of anti-vaxxers. This is far from true, but like so much propoganda nowadays has an element of truth. Personally, I'm pro-vaccine, double jabbed and luckily no bad experiences with side effects. But I'm vehemently anti-vaccine passport. Every o…

The peaceful protests in Algeria, gathering hundreds of thousands and sometimes millions, nation wide, every week, for close to three years, were 'barely' covered, even less so when the people were brutally assaulted and arrested by the thousands. There are some of them still in jail, they were snatched from cafés or from home. Some of them were arrested for a Facebook status, or a cartoon. Some were arrested for 'in…

So would you say that protests work?

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Post by crimsonnoodle58 »

djantje wrote: post #26
crimsonnoodle58 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the PDF you linked. Go to Table 6. First and second columns are shown per 100,000 people. For ages 18-80 the cases per 100,000 people are the same or higher (up to 2x higher) in the fully vaccinated vs the unvaccinated.

If 100% of the people are vaccinated, 100% of the infections will be from vaccinated people.

It's per 100,000 people, based on their vaccination status. It's already normalised.

Re: People in 150 cities globally standing up to authoritarian controls on freedoms

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Post by ChrisSD »

headsoup wrote: post #16
ChrisSD wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have the right to choose. A passport gives others necessary information so they can choose. Managing public health is difficult enough even without people forcing their choices on to others.

You do realise the passport doesn't actually provide any information on whether you do or don't have covid, right?

Huh? The NHS COVID Pass does. It allows sharing vaccine status in both domestic and international contexts.
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