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PHP is worth learning and using

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Re: PHP is worth learning and using

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Post by klyrs »

brandon272 wrote: post #14

I have used PHP for years. Like it. Have accomplished some nice things with it. Think it's evolved nicely in recent years. Feel it's a great tool for particular problems. Will continue to use it. Will always be open to alternatives. Will never understand why some people find that so offensive and will tell you that you mustn't use it or imply that you are ignorant or stupid for using it.

I haven't used PHP for years. I did some Python-based web stuff for a while. Python is a daily driver, but I still reach for PHP when I want to make something that responds to HTTP requests.

Re: PHP is worth learning and using

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Post by crate_barre »

Uehreka wrote: post #12
dolni wrote: post #3

This seems like a desperate attempt to justify not moving on from a language whose death knell rang a long time ago. You might as well try to convince me I should start my next business with cutting edge software written in Fortran or COBOL.

Here’s something to think about: You and some buddies start a startup whose product is a complicated piece of medical software that uses Tensorflow’s inference but most of it is written in Go. Cool stuff, you’d never do that in PHP. You’re getting ready to launch, and you’re going to need a marketing site and a site with documentation and help articles for users. Do you write that site in Go? Hell no. You hire someon…

You hear that guys? Our boy here is working on very interesting medical data with too-over-your-head machine learning models. Did you get all that? He/she doesn’t clock out at 5pm like the rest of you, “cheaper” people.

Most likely your app doesn’t do shit and you are wasting your time patting yourself on the back and making underhanded comments. Once people realize how useless the apps you guys make are, you’ll be even cheaper than the guy you paid to make your “sales” website.

There’s a reason everyone shat on your ‘typical’ website developer for years, then they finally shut the fuck up, gave up on their dreams and joined a bootcamp to learn how to make basic ass websites.

The definition of a basic ass website keeps evolving. In no time, everything we all do will still be looked upon as making a basic ass website.

Re: PHP is worth learning and using

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Post by askonomm »

cityzen wrote: post #19
brandon272 wrote: post #14

I have used PHP for years. Like it. Have accomplished some nice things with it. Think it's evolved nicely in recent years. Feel it's a great tool for particular problems. Will continue to use it. Will always be open to alternatives. Will never understand why some people find that so offensive and will tell you that you mustn't use it or imply that you are ignorant or stupid for using it.

and the best part is they're probably javascript developers that don't understand the hell they're living in.

So your response to the haters is to be a hater yourself? Why can't we just get along?

Re: PHP is worth learning and using

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Post by postalrat »

mikl wrote: post #11

PHP is an ok language for web frameworks. But for most other things, it is a poor fit. There’s a reason why people are generally not doing scientific computing, machine learning, hardware integration, systems programming, etc. in PHP (yes, there are likely some obscure projects doing all of those, but in general, it’s not done because of limitations in the PHP runtime). If you already know PHP, you can probably have…

And there's a reason why people are generally not doing web stuff in python or rust.

Re: PHP is worth learning and using

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Post by wiseowise »

crate_barre wrote: post #22
Uehreka wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here’s something to think about: You and some buddies start a startup whose product is a complicated piece of medical software that uses Tensorflow’s inference but most of it is written in Go. Cool stuff, you’d never do that in PHP. You’re getting ready to launch, and you’re going to need a marketing site and a site with documentation and help articles for users. Do you write that site in Go? Hell no. You hire someon…

You hear that guys? Our boy here is working on very interesting medical data with too-over-your-head machine learning models. Did you get all that? He/she doesn’t clock out at 5pm like the rest of you, “cheaper” people. Most likely your app doesn’t do shit and you are wasting your time patting yourself on the back and making underhanded comments. Once people realize how useless the apps you guys make are, you’ll be e…

OK.

Re: PHP is worth learning and using

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Post by wiseowise »

mikl wrote: post #11

PHP is an ok language for web frameworks. But for most other things, it is a poor fit. There’s a reason why people are generally not doing scientific computing, machine learning, hardware integration, systems programming, etc. in PHP (yes, there are likely some obscure projects doing all of those, but in general, it’s not done because of limitations in the PHP runtime). If you already know PHP, you can probably have…

There's nothing platform-specific about C# and Kotlin.

Re: PHP is worth learning and using

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Post by __float »

asddubs wrote: post #10
dolni wrote: post #3

This seems like a desperate attempt to justify not moving on from a language whose death knell rang a long time ago. You might as well try to convince me I should start my next business with cutting edge software written in Fortran or COBOL.

if people are out here voluntarily writing server-side javascript code, I see no reason to call PHP dead

what are your feelings about server side typescript?

it's quite a nice language, and for many many cases is certainly fast enough these days.

Re: PHP is worth learning and using

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Post by __float »

postalrat wrote: post #24
mikl wrote: post #11

PHP is an ok language for web frameworks. But for most other things, it is a poor fit. There’s a reason why people are generally not doing scientific computing, machine learning, hardware integration, systems programming, etc. in PHP (yes, there are likely some obscure projects doing all of those, but in general, it’s not done because of limitations in the PHP runtime). If you already know PHP, you can probably have…

And there's a reason why people are generally not doing web stuff in python or rust.

people aren't doing web stuff in python?? django, flask, etc. are still very popular. maybe not as much as a few years ago, but people tend to stick to tech they know well, and python's web libraries are pretty battle tested at this point.

Re: PHP is worth learning and using

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Post by mikl »

postalrat wrote: post #24
mikl wrote: post #11

PHP is an ok language for web frameworks. But for most other things, it is a poor fit. There’s a reason why people are generally not doing scientific computing, machine learning, hardware integration, systems programming, etc. in PHP (yes, there are likely some obscure projects doing all of those, but in general, it’s not done because of limitations in the PHP runtime). If you already know PHP, you can probably have…

And there's a reason why people are generally not doing web stuff in python or rust.

Lots and lots of people do web stuff in Python. There are a whole bunch of Python web frameworks like Django, Pylons, Flask, etc.

And there are big sites written in Python, too. Reddit, YouTube, some Google apps, Spotify, Netflix.

Rust is still a bit young, but also has several web frameworks like Rocket. No big case studies that I know of, but Rust still has many more fields of applications than PHP does.

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