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Databricks response to Snowflake's accusation of lacking integrity

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Re: Databricks response to Snowflake's accusation of lacking integrity

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Post by supercanuck »

1cvmask wrote: post #7

This reminds me of the old performance ads of Oracle where they would show you how everything ran better on Oracle. They used to put those ads at airports, business lounges and the back cover of newspapers and magazines read by non-technical executives like the FT and Economist. Everyone technical knew they would game every environment to come out with superior results. I suppose it worked. As the top executives buy…

similiar as to how SAP is still showing growth even thought their core product (ERP Financials) hasn't changed much.

Re: Databricks response to Snowflake's accusation of lacking integrity

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Post by cai22r »

redwood wrote: post #19

As much as I love seeing competition in the space and am enjoying my popcorn, I really don't understand what Databricks is doing here: this feels like a childish foodfight rather than an obsession with the customer...

insert gif: he started it

Re: Databricks response to Snowflake's accusation of lacking integrity

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Post by tyingq »

slownews45 wrote: post #18
tyingq wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read the original post, the Snowflake response, and this. From that I gather that both of them aren't being completely honest or fair when making comparisons. A fair amount of truth, but also some clever wording and omission on both their parts. Which is not surprising or particularly new in this space :)

Databricks results are available at tpc.org [1] Snowflake has shown NOTHING close to this. [1] http://tpc.org/results/fdr/tpcds/databricks~tpcds~100000~dat...

Yes, I wasn't saying they were lying about their tpc.org posted results. I'm saying both companies made use of clever indirection, wording, presentations of stats, etc. Like price/performance, and which of your competitor's tier's to select when doing that, and which of your own. Or over-provisioning the competition's setup, for example.

Re: Databricks response to Snowflake's accusation of lacking integrity

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Post by renewiltord »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #11

Instead of blog posts written but experts in app A based on their experience with app B, I wish there were a platform for this kind of comparison. Some objective third party sets the goal and then each company submits automation (selenium?) that configures their own app to achieve the goal. Entrants are scored by: - time - storage - compute - config complexity No need to waste time making your opponent look bad, just…

If you want some information like this quick, you're gonna have to pay to run it.

Re: Databricks response to Snowflake's accusation of lacking integrity

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Post by hello_moto »

Serious question: Databricks, Snowflake, Dremio. All these "Data" platform companies => which one do you have for your Data Lake and Data Warehouse solution?

I'm sick and tired of these companies Snake Oiling the Data industry by offering "the easiest" platform to satisfy your Data Lake + Warehouse solution only to fall hard whenever you hook it up with your production data (big dataset).

PS: Anyone selling Data Lakehouse (Data Lake + Warehouse as one platform) is on meth.

Re: Databricks response to Snowflake's accusation of lacking integrity

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Post by david_allison »

slownews45 wrote: post #18
tyingq wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read the original post, the Snowflake response, and this. From that I gather that both of them aren't being completely honest or fair when making comparisons. A fair amount of truth, but also some clever wording and omission on both their parts. Which is not surprising or particularly new in this space :)

Databricks results are available at tpc.org [1] Snowflake has shown NOTHING close to this. [1] http://tpc.org/results/fdr/tpcds/databricks~tpcds~100000~dat...

Sorry to nitpick (document seems solid), on page 32:

> Due to a TPC-internal error during the production of 3.2.0 of the TPC-DS kit, the benchmark execution had to use version 2.13 of the kit. It was confirmed by the TPC that the only changes between these two versions of the kit is the version number set in the tools/release.h parameter file.

How can there be that much of a delta of major/minor versions without a change? The only way that I see this happening is if 'change' being defined as the specific benchmark which was run, rather than the kit.

Re: Databricks response to Snowflake's accusation of lacking integrity

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Post by initplus »

1cvmask wrote: post #7

This reminds me of the old performance ads of Oracle where they would show you how everything ran better on Oracle. They used to put those ads at airports, business lounges and the back cover of newspapers and magazines read by non-technical executives like the FT and Economist. Everyone technical knew they would game every environment to come out with superior results. I suppose it worked. As the top executives buy…

A key part of the Oracle strategy is making it a breach of license to publish any benchmarking data. No performance data about Oracle's database is allowed to be published without their approval, which means no negative results are published.

Re: Databricks response to Snowflake's accusation of lacking integrity

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Post by kartoonhero »

dreyfan wrote: post #16

Databricks is a rapidly approaching IPO. Trying to justify their valuation with their overpriced in-memory hadoop.

Databricks is way more than hadoop or spark. A great analogy - Spark is a great engine but you need to design and build all of the other subsystems.

Databricks is an F1 car - everything is built out. You get in and drive - FAST.

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