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Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Post by postingawayonhn »

ajross wrote: post #3

tl;dr: Vaccination status correlates with a 13x reduction of infection risk and a 20x reduction of death risk. Now, to be clear that's a confounded number. The vaccinated are also likely to be taking other mitigation strategies seriously. So the vaccine itself will be somewhat less effective than this. Nonetheless, this is pretty damning for the horse paste set. In decades to come we'll wonder and think and study how…

> The vaccinated are also likely to be taking other mitigation strategies seriously.

It could also be true that vaccinated people are willing to take greater risks now that they knowingly have a level of protection.

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Post by rvnx »

dntrkv wrote: post #9
herdcall wrote: post #5

I'm not sure the infection rates are reliable: vaccinated folks are much more likely to be asymptomatic or experience mild symptoms, so are much less likely to be tested to confirm infection vs. unvaccinated ones.

But vaccinated people are more likely to take a COVID test.

Don't have non-vaccinated people less risk of dying as a baseline ? (because if they are against vaccine, probably they statistically have less comorbidities, otherwise they'd take the vaccine). If this is the case, then it would mean the vaccine is even more effective than it seems.

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Post by artificialLimbs »

walterbell wrote: post #7
ajross wrote: post #3

tl;dr: Vaccination status correlates with a 13x reduction of infection risk and a 20x reduction of death risk. Now, to be clear that's a confounded number. The vaccinated are also likely to be taking other mitigation strategies seriously. So the vaccine itself will be somewhat less effective than this. Nonetheless, this is pretty damning for the horse paste set. In decades to come we'll wonder and think and study how…

> In decades to come we'll wonder and think and study how this all went so horrifically wrong. Hopefully we will investigate why almost all (rare) deaths after vaccination can be attributed to only 5% of lot numbers, a statistical anomaly with no easy explanation since this power-law curve appears in the data for both mRNA (Pfizer, Moderna) and non-mRNA (J&J) shots. Could the reason be variance in manufacturing or di…

Politicians, media, and pharma sure didn’t do themselves a whole lot of favors in this whole debacle.

https://rumble.com/vokrf7-sen.-johnson-expert-panel-on-feder...

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Post by belltaco »

walterbell wrote: post #11
ohazi wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source?

Official VAERS data. Anyone can download the data and perform the analysis after importing into a SQL database. Since someone is inevitably going to criticize VAERS as a data source: it would be trivial for CDC to release a comparable non-VAERS analysis from Vaccine Safety Datalink, their non-public surveillance dataset. While VAERS is flawed due to self-reporting, there are legal penalties for submitting false infor…

>there are legal penalties for submitting false information

It's never enforced.

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Post by TheDong »

herdcall wrote: post #5

I'm not sure the infection rates are reliable: vaccinated folks are much more likely to be asymptomatic or experience mild symptoms, so are much less likely to be tested to confirm infection vs. unvaccinated ones.

There's at least a baseline of tests from activities which require a negative test report. For example, traveling to canada requires a negative covid test before crossing the border, so I'd expect vaccinated people to get tests at at least that baseline.

I do agree this data would be more compelling and reliable if we did covid tests of a random sample of the population and compiled infection data from that, entirely removing any self-selection bias.

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Post by walterbell »

rvnx wrote: post #19
ajross wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VAERS data is raw, is not a controlled study (it's literally just a collection of voluntary reports), has minimal data quality control, and includes all cause deaths. It's what you use to find crumbs worth study, not what you use to drive conspiracy theories on the internet. Basically, if you aren't an epidemiologist don't touch that stuff, it isn't for you. That's the equivalent of announcing you can land a plane be…

https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?IDNUMBER=221... According to VAERS, alien abduction may occur with certain type of vaccines.

Yes, it's very convenient for those who wish to criticize VAERS that random people can enter random garbage. But even a few minutes spent scrolling through VAERS will show a large number of credible entries.

At any rate, everyone agrees that VAERS can provide a necessary-but-not-sufficient signal, which is why the CDC VSD exists (large database of adverse events from HMOs and other sources). Hence, any trend (good or bad) from VAERS can be confirmed or repudiated by CDC VSD, https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/monitoring/...

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Post by rvnx »

walterbell wrote: post #18
ajross wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VAERS data is raw, is not a controlled study (it's literally just a collection of voluntary reports), has minimal data quality control, and includes all cause deaths. It's what you use to find crumbs worth study, not what you use to drive conspiracy theories on the internet. Basically, if you aren't an epidemiologist don't touch that stuff, it isn't for you. That's the equivalent of announcing you can land a plane be…

Argument that VAERS is under-reporting events: https://www.skirsch.com/covid/TFNT11.pdf

You are claiming through these slides that the vaccine causes thrombosis / cardiac arrest events that are underreported.

But what about the COVID-19 itself ? As far as I know, the spike protein is toxic in both cases, but the natural way seems worse because you add it up to other symptoms.

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Post by nielsbot »

postingawayonhn wrote: post #21
ajross wrote: post #3

tl;dr: Vaccination status correlates with a 13x reduction of infection risk and a 20x reduction of death risk. Now, to be clear that's a confounded number. The vaccinated are also likely to be taking other mitigation strategies seriously. So the vaccine itself will be somewhat less effective than this. Nonetheless, this is pretty damning for the horse paste set. In decades to come we'll wonder and think and study how…

> The vaccinated are also likely to be taking other mitigation strategies seriously. It could also be true that vaccinated people are willing to take greater risks now that they knowingly have a level of protection.

Anecdote: I personally feel more comfortable eating at restaurants after being vaccinated. A little, but more.

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Post by walterbell »

rvnx wrote: post #28
walterbell wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Argument that VAERS is under-reporting events: https://www.skirsch.com/covid/TFNT11.pdf

You are claiming through these slides that the vaccine causes thrombosis / cardiac arrest events that are underreported. But what about the COVID-19 itself ? As far as I know, the spike protein is toxic in both cases, but the natural way seems worse because you add it up to other symptoms.

A proper comparison would require controlled studies which opens up the can of worms related to early treatment, which has been debated ad-naseum, but is perhaps now more politically palatable since Pfizer is shipping an early-treatment drug. We've known since May 2020 that the consequences of Covid infection depend dramatically on the timing of treatment relative to the progression of infection.
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