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US infrastructure bill includes law that aims to end drunk driving

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Re: US infrastructure bill includes law that aims to end drunk driving

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Post by op00to »

Jtype wrote: post #18
maneesh wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems to be in the same category as seatbelts

Can a seatbelt strand you on the side of the road in the middle of the night? Can a seatbelt turn off your car in the winter? Can a seatbelt collect private data from you? Can a seatbelt record everything you do?

Can a seatbelt hug? Can a seatbelt love? Can a seatbelt … feel?

Re: US infrastructure bill includes law that aims to end drunk driving

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Post by staticman2 »

chuckee wrote: post #3

Is this the first legally mandated user-hostile feature? Will it be the last?

Is it user hostile to prevent the user from killing someone? I've seen a kid sentenced to jail for DUI driving and killing people. I doubt the car was acting in his best interest when it let him do that.

Re: US infrastructure bill includes law that aims to end drunk driving

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Post by scohesc »

An infrastructure bill that has rider clauses in it that have nothing to do with infrastructure? Color me shocked! Why a bill that's worth 1 trillion dollars is allowed to even be signed in the first place should be abhorrent to anybody. With that amount of money involved, you're just ASKING for political bribing, back-door deals, etc. etc.

If you want infrastructure done properly, let the states handle it themselves - worry about interstate highways and commerce. The past two years of courier companies using highways/roads exclusively for delivery should be taxed to high heaven, but notice how that's not happening?

I can't wait for companies to implement more features in vehicles that will be done under the guise of "safety" but in reality will be used for oppression of rights and freedoms. What's that? Your breathalyzer in your car isn't working? Too bad, you can't drive, and now you have to pay to have it repaired on your dime! Notice how they're slowly making individual car ownership more and more expensive and harder to reach?

Don't worry though, we'll all be "safe"!

Re: US infrastructure bill includes law that aims to end drunk driving

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Post by chuckee »

staticman2 wrote: post #22
chuckee wrote: post #3

Is this the first legally mandated user-hostile feature? Will it be the last?

Is it user hostile to prevent the user from killing someone? I've seen a kid sentenced to jail for DUI driving and killing people. I doubt the car was acting in his best interest when it let him do that.

Is it user hostile to prevent the user from speeding? From parking in front of a fire hydrant? From driving to an illegal gathering? All of those can result in jail and death (including the last one, as those protest epidemic studies can attest to).

How about driving without a license, or past curfew?

Any action contrary to the user's wishes is user hostile. You are welcome to give inanimate objects (and those who control them) power over you, but don't drag the rest of us into your utopia of begging our cars and appliances for permission.

Ah but I'm committing the slippery slope fallacy. I'm sure that unlike all the other surveillance state creep, this particular genie, once out of the bottle, won't spread.

Re: US infrastructure bill includes law that aims to end drunk driving

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Post by foxyv »

The way to stop drunk driving is to make driving OPTIONAL. Without adequate pedestrian and cycling facilities, people are forced to use public transit and cars to get to bars and restaurants. Make public transit intermittent, unreliable and dirty then stop service well before bars let out? Now there is ONLY cars as an option. Ride share has helped but it is much more expensive and is almost as much as the bar tab.

Now they want to put stupid devices in people's cars that will randomly strand them in the middle of who-knows-where because they "Look Drunk."

Re: US infrastructure bill includes law that aims to end drunk driving

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Post by 8note »

cma wrote: post #7
nxm wrote: post #5

Another reason for the price of new cars to have to be increased by the manufacturer

But cheaper overall if it works well. Insurance costs, etc. go down, not to mention the lives saved.

I'd say more expensive overall, since more people will try to drive places, and thus need cars and wider roads, etc

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Post by hulitu »

chuckee wrote: post #3

Is this the first legally mandated user-hostile feature? Will it be the last?

No and no. The car industry has learned that they can increase profits by making legislators mandate things in the name of safety and security. See tire pressure monitoring for example.

Re: US infrastructure bill includes law that aims to end drunk driving

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Post by hulitu »

op00to wrote: post #21
Jtype wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can a seatbelt strand you on the side of the road in the middle of the night? Can a seatbelt turn off your car in the winter? Can a seatbelt collect private data from you? Can a seatbelt record everything you do?

Can a seatbelt hug? Can a seatbelt love? Can a seatbelt … feel?

Carefull what you wish. A seatbelt maybe not yet but a seat for sure.
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