As I've said for years, any time you see a glittering urban core full of glass towers, steel bridges, and classic old stone architecture, somewhere there's a Mordor nearby that made all that happen.
The EPA allows polluters to turn neighborhoods into “sacrifice zones”
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#22"Before there was climate denial, there was cancer denial."
Cancer is just a risk. Having a job an earning money will always outweigh that risk. People will put up with a lot of crummy environment to put food on the table.
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#23Californians have watered down the phrase 'cancer-causing' so much that probably nobody cares! I guess being down-wind of a Starbucks counts as being in a sacrifice zone according to Californian regulations!
IIRC, after a few years of lawsuits against the state, it was decided that coffee beans no longer require a prop 65 warning
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#24Californians have watered down the phrase 'cancer-causing' so much that probably nobody cares! I guess being down-wind of a Starbucks counts as being in a sacrifice zone according to Californian regulations!
Yep, California has raised the bar, and to do so it had to take risks. In particular, it risked looking silly-- and in penis-politics looking silly in front of your opponents is an existential risk. The good news is, some of these risks paid off and became national standards. So, thanks to California, you are poisoned a little less every day. Speaking personally: fuck you for making fun of that effort!
I would remove the fu stuff. But I appreciate your appreciation of prop 65. Even if tons of products still have the warning, the amount of lead in various things has dropped significantly since implemented.
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#25Californians have watered down the phrase 'cancer-causing' so much that probably nobody cares! I guess being down-wind of a Starbucks counts as being in a sacrifice zone according to Californian regulations!
Yep, California has raised the bar, and to do so it had to take risks. In particular, it risked looking silly-- and in penis-politics looking silly in front of your opponents is an existential risk. The good news is, some of these risks paid off and became national standards. So, thanks to California, you are poisoned a little less every day. Speaking personally: fuck you for making fun of that effort!
Cmon, prop 65 is terribly implemented, and so the results are absurd. It’d be like if your software’s logging just sent “there’s an error” over and over via email to the whole team with no more details. Not even time stamps.
Re: The EPA allows polluters to turn neighborhoods into “sacrifice zones”
#26Californians have watered down the phrase 'cancer-causing' so much that probably nobody cares! I guess being down-wind of a Starbucks counts as being in a sacrifice zone according to Californian regulations!
Yep, California has raised the bar, and to do so it had to take risks. In particular, it risked looking silly-- and in penis-politics looking silly in front of your opponents is an existential risk. The good news is, some of these risks paid off and became national standards. So, thanks to California, you are poisoned a little less every day. Speaking personally: fuck you for making fun of that effort!
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#27Californians have watered down the phrase 'cancer-causing' so much that probably nobody cares! I guess being down-wind of a Starbucks counts as being in a sacrifice zone according to Californian regulations!
Do you have evidence to back up this claim? I'm aware CA puts many warning stickers on various products... but isn't it possible that profit-seeking corporations are, in fact, using cancer-causing materials simply because they're cheaper?
CA looks a lot like the boy who cried “wolf”.
When the risk is infinitesimal and the warning placed on so many items, what is the value of that warning?
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#28Californians have watered down the phrase 'cancer-causing' so much that probably nobody cares! I guess being down-wind of a Starbucks counts as being in a sacrifice zone according to Californian regulations!
Yep, California has raised the bar, and to do so it had to take risks. In particular, it risked looking silly-- and in penis-politics looking silly in front of your opponents is an existential risk. The good news is, some of these risks paid off and became national standards. So, thanks to California, you are poisoned a little less every day. Speaking personally: fuck you for making fun of that effort!
Is it not a good idea to first ask for clarifications, when there is a doubt about one's message?
If the labels of danger are without some sort of quantification, there is a fault.
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#29"Before there was climate denial, there was cancer denial." Cancer is just a risk. Having a job an earning money will always outweigh that risk. People will put up with a lot of crummy environment to put food on the table.
This pollution impacts people who don't work at these facilities, and if you start looking at them many employ less than the nearby Walmart.
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#30Some anecdotes as someone who lived near one of these locations growing up (fortunately about 30 mi away)
1) Every now and then, our entire town would smell terrible, presumably from the winds carrying the emissions to us
2) A friend who moved here during my high school had to move away since his whole family suffered from asthma and it was made much noticeably worse here
3) Heard a couple huge explosions during my lifetime from these refineries sadly.