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Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by dcow »

runevault wrote: post #15
qwertox wrote: post #4

Hmm. For me the dislike button was informative. If feels like they are trying to create a world where everything can only be good, better, even more better, which just doesn't represent reality. Imagine Stack Overflow only having the option to upvote Questions and Answers. The ratio of likes vs dislikes of a TED talk does help me to decide if I should stop watching a video which just isn't getting better.

I mostly agree with you, with the caveat of brigading being a very real thing that lowers the information value. But then why show upvotes either because positive brigading is just as damaging to the information as downvote brigades.

Exactly. Seems like you could just throttle votes or abstract the metric to smooth out spikes and account for brigading in either direction...

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by recursivedoubts »

> We’ve also heard directly from smaller creators, and those just getting started with their YouTube channel, that they are unfairly targeted by dislike attacks.

ah yes, google looking out for the little folks...

someday, a technical solution like not allowing downvotes until a channel gets so many views or subscribers may be feasible, but until then, this will have to suffice

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by MatthiasWandel »

kmeisthax wrote: post #19

I personally think this should only apply in specific circumstances, such as smaller creators or creators likely to be targeted by harassment (e.g. women, racial minorities, openly LGBT, etc). However, I can also imagine a counterargument that hiding dislikes here would be considered some kind of indicator that a person is worth harassing for lols. I'm not sure exactly how to balance that.

the ability to hide the like/dislike counts has been there all along. I don't see why they want to take this choice away from creators.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by crmd »

It’s not clear from the article, and the linked manage your recommendations page, if and how dislikes affect the recommendation algorithm.

I want the dislike button to send a negative signal to the recommendation algorithm, but it seems to act more like an elevator door close placebo button. [0]

[0] https://www.quora.com/Does-the-close-door-button-in-U-S-elev...

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by advisedwang »

Covzire wrote: post #2

First it was the complete corporate takeover of their search algorithm in the last few years, now they're removing the final way that users can express displeasure from political organizations and content creators. This is yet another nail in the coffin of Youtube, it's almost ready to go into the ground as Rumble and Odysee take off and Youtube slides into corporate/censorious irrelevance.

If we are already at a point where we are reduced to using dislike button on YouTube is a significant political outlet, democracy is already gone.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by capybara_2020 »

What about cases where the dislikes are against a gov figure and the count gives you confidence in numbers. Plus now authoritarian governments get to serve out even more propaganda talking about videos that are liked and the opposition has no way to see that the opposite also happens.

So the opposition grows even more silent. Afraid to act because it might lead to negative repercussions and there is no scale of the dislike for a propaganda piece.

Not to be conspiratorial but after Facebook's reaction to propaganda from certain parties in countries that are not America. It feels like Youtube is bowing to pressure but hiding it behind a "helping small creator" facade.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by crowbahr »

genewitch wrote: post #18
qwertox wrote: post #4

Hmm. For me the dislike button was informative. If feels like they are trying to create a world where everything can only be good, better, even more better, which just doesn't represent reality. Imagine Stack Overflow only having the option to upvote Questions and Answers. The ratio of likes vs dislikes of a TED talk does help me to decide if I should stop watching a video which just isn't getting better.

Kinda of ironic that you can't downvote/dislike on this site here without enough upvotes yourself...

That's not the solution proposed by youtube though: They're _never_ allowing you to "prove yourself" the way that hacker news does.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by adoxyz »

qwertox wrote: post #4

Hmm. For me the dislike button was informative. If feels like they are trying to create a world where everything can only be good, better, even more better, which just doesn't represent reality. Imagine Stack Overflow only having the option to upvote Questions and Answers. The ratio of likes vs dislikes of a TED talk does help me to decide if I should stop watching a video which just isn't getting better.

100% agree. If they're going to do away with the dislike counter, then do away with the like counter as well.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by cute_boi »

genewitch wrote: post #18
qwertox wrote: post #4

Hmm. For me the dislike button was informative. If feels like they are trying to create a world where everything can only be good, better, even more better, which just doesn't represent reality. Imagine Stack Overflow only having the option to upvote Questions and Answers. The ratio of likes vs dislikes of a TED talk does help me to decide if I should stop watching a video which just isn't getting better.

Kinda of ironic that you can't downvote/dislike on this site here without enough upvotes yourself...

actually this is good because it helps to mitigate bot somehow.
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