Whale: “Hey, I found some fish.” Whale Eliza: “Interesting. How does that make you feel? Whale: “What the fuck?”
"If a lion could speak we wouldn't understand him." - Wittgenstein
Attempting to interpret sperm whale clicks with AI, then talk back
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Re: Attempting to interpret sperm whale clicks with AI, then talk back
#22The idea of finally talking to something we’ve been killing for resources for centuries is kinda weird.
To hunt a species to extinction is not logical. Edit: Because the topic is about communicating with Whales and my response was to a comment about hunting them, I thought it would be appropriate to reference something Spock said in Star Trek IV. Colloquially known as "The one with the whales".
Most indigenous tribes were hunted to extinction by colonial settlers. Now some of the descendants of the colonial settlers subsume their heritage to get preferential access to colleges and jobs.
Re: Attempting to interpret sperm whale clicks with AI, then talk back
#23Hum, is interesting but, trying to talk with sperm whales has its own special type of risks. The whale reply could kill you.
Re: Attempting to interpret sperm whale clicks with AI, then talk back
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
To hunt a species to extinction is not logical. Edit: Because the topic is about communicating with Whales and my response was to a comment about hunting them, I thought it would be appropriate to reference something Spock said in Star Trek IV. Colloquially known as "The one with the whales".
Game Theory would probably say that it is logical, though at the end self-defeating. Usually the species is hunted for something valuable, and that means that the species becoming rarer translates to higher prices. So the people who successfully kill the very last specimens will get rich from them; an absolutely logical motivation, even if it has disastrous consequences down the line. If you can get ten million dolla…
Wow, new heights in game theory nonsense
I know you're simply explaining the logic but it's still a psychopath's logic
Re: Attempting to interpret sperm whale clicks with AI, then talk back
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
Game Theory would probably say that it is logical, though at the end self-defeating. Usually the species is hunted for something valuable, and that means that the species becoming rarer translates to higher prices. So the people who successfully kill the very last specimens will get rich from them; an absolutely logical motivation, even if it has disastrous consequences down the line. If you can get ten million dolla…
Wow, new heights in game theory nonsense I know you're simply explaining the logic but it's still a psychopath's logic
Not really. This happens pretty frequently. Hunting species to extinction, cutting down trees for fuel, etc.
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Re: Attempting to interpret sperm whale clicks with AI, then talk back
#27The idea of finally talking to something we’ve been killing for resources for centuries is kinda weird.
We should probably pick “whoops, our bad” as one of the early translation goals.
Then the whales will learn not to trust anything we say.
Happened to indigenous people in the Americas.
Re: Attempting to interpret sperm whale clicks with AI, then talk back
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wow, new heights in game theory nonsense I know you're simply explaining the logic but it's still a psychopath's logic
Not really. This happens pretty frequently. Hunting species to extinction, cutting down trees for fuel, etc.
Well, I didn't say we have a shortage of psychos, did I?
Hunting the white rhinos to extinction is totally fine. It's just game theory, you guys.
Re: Attempting to interpret sperm whale clicks with AI, then talk back
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
Game Theory would probably say that it is logical, though at the end self-defeating. Usually the species is hunted for something valuable, and that means that the species becoming rarer translates to higher prices. So the people who successfully kill the very last specimens will get rich from them; an absolutely logical motivation, even if it has disastrous consequences down the line. If you can get ten million dolla…
Wow, new heights in game theory nonsense I know you're simply explaining the logic but it's still a psychopath's logic
Well, the Tragedy of the Commons can also be modeled in game theoretic terms. This is logical only in the extremely oversimplified given scope. If you ignore all externalities (possibly including your own future needs), resource exploitation can appear to be a rational course of action.
But ignoring them, I would say, is not in fact logical or rational.
Re: Attempting to interpret sperm whale clicks with AI, then talk back
#30Whale: “Hey, I found some fish.” Whale Eliza: “Interesting. How does that make you feel? Whale: “What the fuck?”
what the eat