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Re: Neal Stephenson reacts to Facebook name change

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Can anybody recommend authors like Stephenson? He is my favourite author by far and it's going to be a sad day when I exhaust his works.

Here’s some I’ve really enjoyed recently:

- Octavia Butler (Everything)

- Becky Chambers (Wayfarers)

- Martha Wells (Murderbot)

- Liu Cixin (3 body problem/ dark forest)

- N.K. Jemisin (Broken Earth & and cities we became)

- Dennis E. Taylor (Bobiverse)

Re: Neal Stephenson reacts to Facebook name change

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He should auction an NFT and Zuck/FB/MVRS should buy it for a decent amount

What reason is there to even use NFTs?

How about he does exactly the same thing, with exactly the same outcome in the real world, just without making any NFTs, burning any coal, or shilling any get rich quick pyramid schemes?

What tangible difference would there be?

None whatsoever.

...Except for no bullshit, no proof of wasted energy, no precious GPUs buried in landfills, no contribution to climate change, no carcinogenic smoke, no lung disease, no cancer, etc...

Did you know: rocks used to be perfectly good companions and construction materials aeons before and decades after the Pet Rock craze came and went.

The cardboard box and the $4 price tag were just a gimmick. So are NFTs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pet_Rock

Re: Neal Stephenson reacts to Facebook name change

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He hinted at the revenue model being a big difference between whatever Facebook is building and the plot of his novel "Snow Crash" Can someone fill in the specifics? I guess the trouble is that for Facebook, you're the product, and advertisers are the clients - but, what is the revenue model of the metaverse from Snow Crash?

In snowcrash, p2p network IO is cheap, compute is expensive. This sets up a metaverse where users render themselves and their content for others. The renders are streamed. No one controls the metaverse itself as it's more of a self hosted, federated affair. I think there is some sort of main street with some reserved space but it's akin to a url.

There's a "real estate" model, similar to "ownership" of domain names and address space. Developing on the "Street" is licensed by the ACM, and the compute to run it comes from income from a trust fund.

There's also an IP licensing model going on too-- selling avatars, video games, amusement parks.

Re: Neal Stephenson reacts to Facebook name change

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What an odd interview. I got the sense that the interviewer was really looking for Stephenson to lash out with some juicy rant about how awful Facebook is, but he is so mild about the whole thing.

Yeah, it was like a shaggy dog interview.

Here come the punchline!

...

"the book has been out for 30 years and anyone can spin ideas out of it."

Re: Neal Stephenson reacts to Facebook name change

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He hinted at the revenue model being a big difference between whatever Facebook is building and the plot of his novel "Snow Crash" Can someone fill in the specifics? I guess the trouble is that for Facebook, you're the product, and advertisers are the clients - but, what is the revenue model of the metaverse from Snow Crash?

Well in Snow Crash the metaverse is controlled by a crazy billionaire who controls the brains of his employees by infecting them with memetic viruses .... in Zuckerberg's case ....

Re: Neal Stephenson reacts to Facebook name change

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Can anybody recommend authors like Stephenson? He is my favourite author by far and it's going to be a sad day when I exhaust his works.

Here’s some I’ve really enjoyed recently: - Octavia Butler (Everything) - Becky Chambers (Wayfarers) - Martha Wells (Murderbot) - Liu Cixin (3 body problem/ dark forest) - N.K. Jemisin (Broken Earth & and cities we became) - Dennis E. Taylor (Bobiverse)

Thank you for your suggestions! I have read some of N.K Jemisin and enjoyed what I read, the others I have not heard of except for Liu Cixin. I've read the three-body problem but I found it a bit jarring how 'magical' the resolution was - it was speculative but in a bizarre/surreal way rather than in a 'plausible extension of reality' way. Is it worth pushing through to the later books?

Re: Neal Stephenson reacts to Facebook name change

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I don't get why the interviewer suggests that the author deserves some compensation. Did metaverse as an idea did not exist before Snow Crash?

Vaguely similar ideas existed in True Names and Neuromancer, but no, the metaverse as we imagine it today did not exist before Snow Crash.

I’d consider human spiritual realms the precursor to meta verses we can actually implement.

Tons of visualization through art, and ways and means defined through story.

Of course tend to need to be very literal about these things.

Frankly a computer meta verse isn’t that interesting

I’d rather figure out how to grow neuron structures that let me believe or have skills in anything and just babysit this stupid fleshy husk literally

Re: Neal Stephenson reacts to Facebook name change

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Can anybody recommend authors like Stephenson? He is my favourite author by far and it's going to be a sad day when I exhaust his works.

Nobody's really like Stephenson, but to the extent that he is something of a cyberpunk author, I'd say you might like some of these folks if you're not familiar with them yet: 1. William Gibson - Neuromancer , 'nuff said. The rest of the Sprawl Trilogy is great as well. 2. Rudy Rucker - I haven't read any of his stuff yet, but he is on my short-list of authors to start reading. Gets recommended a lot in these circles…

Thank you for all your suggestions and commentary!
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