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A man who takes 6 months of paternity is a loser – Palantir founder Joe Lonsdale

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Re: A man who takes 6 months of paternity is a loser – Palantir founder Joe Lonsdale

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Post by padraic7a »

silexia wrote: post #14
brodouevencode wrote: post #11

The rhetoric is harsh, but I can sympathize with him. I would rather my children see how hard I work (it never went unnoticed), and now that they are older I happily include them in on what I do. But those early years should be dedicated to learning how to be social and nice - things women are better at than men on average. Traditionally men have been the workers, women have been the caregivers. This model has worked…

I have twin two year olds. Early on, I had to do a significant amount of work because there is two of them. But even with that work helping my wife, I still did not need any parental leave. Newborns are easy for a father... Just change the diaper, feed a bottle, and comfort them. Now that my kids are two years old, I need to spend more time with them teaching them things and I am sure that will grow. Maybe mothers sh…

It's always dangerous to generalise too much from your own experience. I had 6 weeks off when my son was born and would have taken more if it was possible. He didn't sleep or feed very well so my wife certainly could have used the extra support.

Now that my kid is nearly four I would also love more time off. How about more family friendly, or just less time-demanding, jobs in general?

[going off topic a bit it seems to me like post-Covid lockdown more and more people are looking for this, and are leaving jobs that can't provide it]

Re: A man who takes 6 months of paternity is a loser – Palantir founder Joe Lonsdale

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Post by mycentstoo »

arpyzo wrote: post #7

Every time I've switched jobs I looked back and questioned the time and effort I put in. It seems like I never got back what I put in. When it comes to my son though, I've never once regretted the time and effort I dedicated to him. Sounds like the real loser is Joe Lonsdale. I hope he'll come to understand what's truly import during the short time on this planet before it's too late.

This rings very true for me as well. Family time never feels wasted but staying up all those extra hours to ship better code never seems to be worth it in the end.

Re: A man who takes 6 months of paternity is a loser – Palantir founder Joe Lonsdale

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Post by kelseyfrog »

llampx wrote: post #18
arpyzo wrote: post #7

Every time I've switched jobs I looked back and questioned the time and effort I put in. It seems like I never got back what I put in. When it comes to my son though, I've never once regretted the time and effort I dedicated to him. Sounds like the real loser is Joe Lonsdale. I hope he'll come to understand what's truly import during the short time on this planet before it's too late.

I don't know if Jon is a father but I would absolutely not be surprised if, when he becomes one, he does take a healthy paternity leave. Many of these people are very "do as I say, not as i do" types.

Joe has every incentive to convince other people to minimize paternity leave. Morality is for the working class.

Re: A man who takes 6 months of paternity is a loser – Palantir founder Joe Lonsdale

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Post by mam4 »

arpyzo wrote: post #7

Every time I've switched jobs I looked back and questioned the time and effort I put in. It seems like I never got back what I put in. When it comes to my son though, I've never once regretted the time and effort I dedicated to him. Sounds like the real loser is Joe Lonsdale. I hope he'll come to understand what's truly import during the short time on this planet before it's too late.

Well he probably thinks the same of "mere employees" who could do better with this time, such as founding a compagny as his

Re: A man who takes 6 months of paternity is a loser – Palantir founder Joe Lonsdale

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Post by spamizbad »

llampx wrote: post #18
arpyzo wrote: post #7

Every time I've switched jobs I looked back and questioned the time and effort I put in. It seems like I never got back what I put in. When it comes to my son though, I've never once regretted the time and effort I dedicated to him. Sounds like the real loser is Joe Lonsdale. I hope he'll come to understand what's truly import during the short time on this planet before it's too late.

I don't know if Jon is a father but I would absolutely not be surprised if, when he becomes one, he does take a healthy paternity leave. Many of these people are very "do as I say, not as i do" types.

If you've got Jon's money you can just buy help for your family. So from the perspective of a rich guy who can afford a live-in nanny, I'm not surprised he thinks 6 months of paternity leave is extravagant.

But for normal people, you're lucky if you have some family to help out a day or two in the first few weeks. In the case of my wife and I for our son, we were flying solo. And that's assuming a normal birth - if your new baby has to spend time in the NICU... that's extra nerve wracking and emotionally taxing even though technically there are trained staff "taking care" of your baby.

Re: A man who takes 6 months of paternity is a loser – Palantir founder Joe Lonsdale

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Post by jowdones »

Yeah, the devil is in the details. I have a workmate that surprised me saying he's taking a year off paternity leave, getting a monthly paycheck from the state.

The catch ... his wife is working from home. So in fact she is doing all the hard work child care. He... essentially took a paid-off sabbatical B-)

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