The Married Will Soon Be the Minority • Hacker News Board

Re: The Married Will Soon Be the Minority

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Post by echelon » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 7:25 AM UTC

gsich wrote: post #18

pseingatl wrote: post #5

Getting into an institution with no easy way out discourages entry in the first place. Alimony has no place in a society where men and women are equal; child support is based on the paradigm of a traditional stay at home mom who never worked and who will never work, taking numbers from Kentucky(!?) in the late 50's, early 60's as a base and slowly increasing from there. Add to this the fact that to get out of the ins…

That's a feature of marriage. "Therefore, examine whoever binds forever".

Perhaps it shouldn't be.

It doesn't fit the modern world at all. It was designed when people tended farms and raised a brood of children. We have new needs and lifestyles now.

Re: The Married Will Soon Be the Minority

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Post by gsich » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 7:26 AM UTC

echelon wrote: post #21

gsich wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a feature of marriage. "Therefore, examine whoever binds forever".

Perhaps it shouldn't be. It doesn't fit the modern world at all. It was designed when people tended farms and raised a brood of children. We have new needs and lifestyles now.

Then don't marry. Monogamy is still the dominant lifestyle form. It's also a safety if children are involved.

Re: The Married Will Soon Be the Minority

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Post by thirdlamp » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 7:27 AM UTC

bmitc wrote: post #3

pcbro141 wrote: post #2

Interesting times ahead. Especially for Gen Z and younger, who rely heavily on dating apps instead of going out to meet new potential partners. Dating apps which are highly ineffective at actually generating relationships for most people (particularly for straight males). I predict Gen Z birth rate will be less than 1 per woman, but this might not be a problem for Western economies for now as Western countries can ju…

> Dating apps which are highly ineffective at actually generating relationships for most people (particularly for straight males). I didn’t really find that’s the case. I think that’s the perception, but it wasn’t that hard to meet nice, educated people looking for actual relationships on the various dating apps I once used. The failure rate has got to be much less than the failure rate out of all the potential partn…

The incentive for dating apps is towards one night stands. If a relationship is formed on their platform they lose 2 customers and their revenue.

Re: The Married Will Soon Be the Minority

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Post by bobsmooth » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 7:27 AM UTC

dijit wrote: post #15

My ex wanted to get married and I was keen on the idea. But it is a scary endeavour with no practical upside, high financial cost and absurd legal risk. Why would I get married? Love? You can love without marriage. If marriage is to prove you love someone then I don’t think I want to bother loving anyone.

>no practical upside

There's tax incentives and you become each other's medical proxy, among other things.

>high financial cost

The paperwork is cheap. Weddings are as expensive as you make them.

>absurd legal risk

That's true, divorces are expensive.

Re: The Married Will Soon Be the Minority

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Post by adammunich » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 7:30 AM UTC

pcbro141 wrote: post #2

Interesting times ahead. Especially for Gen Z and younger, who rely heavily on dating apps instead of going out to meet new potential partners. Dating apps which are highly ineffective at actually generating relationships for most people (particularly for straight males). I predict Gen Z birth rate will be less than 1 per woman, but this might not be a problem for Western economies for now as Western countries can ju…

I like how gender is now considered a spectrum

Re: The Married Will Soon Be the Minority

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Post by echelon » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 7:30 AM UTC

lancepioch wrote: post #16

gremloni wrote: post #9

Alimony is stupid. Child support without the man having a say in abortion is even more stupid.

Why is alimony stupid? I haven't really heard any good arguments against it.

Why should you be forced by the state to pay your ex that is no longer a part of your life?

It's a form of indentured servitude, sometimes granted to someone that you hate or that hates you.

Re: The Married Will Soon Be the Minority

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Post by bmitc » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 7:30 AM UTC

thirdlamp wrote: post #23

bmitc wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Dating apps which are highly ineffective at actually generating relationships for most people (particularly for straight males). I didn’t really find that’s the case. I think that’s the perception, but it wasn’t that hard to meet nice, educated people looking for actual relationships on the various dating apps I once used. The failure rate has got to be much less than the failure rate out of all the potential partn…

The incentive for dating apps is towards one night stands. If a relationship is formed on their platform they lose 2 customers and their revenue.

That's not at all true for all dating apps and their users. I used apps nearly exclusively geared towards and users who were looking for standard dates and relationships with long term horizons. The model for these apps is to get new or returning users under subscription. Apps and/or users targeting the short term are easily avoided.

Re: The Married Will Soon Be the Minority

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Post by adammunich » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 7:32 AM UTC

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #11

akomtu wrote: post #8

"People will no longer get married and will live with each other just for sexual pleasure." - taken from the Wikipedia page about kali yuga. There are many more entertaining observations there: Lust will be viewed as socially acceptable and sexual intercourse will be seen as the central requirement of life. People will become addicted to intoxicating drinks and drugs. Rulers will become unreasonable: they will levy t…

> All the human beings will declare themselves as gods or boon given by gods and make it as a business instead of teachings. I mean that is a perfect description of LinkedIn and Instagram to some extent.

omg

Re: The Married Will Soon Be the Minority

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Post by crooked-v » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 7:33 AM UTC

gsich wrote: post #18

pseingatl wrote: post #5

Getting into an institution with no easy way out discourages entry in the first place. Alimony has no place in a society where men and women are equal; child support is based on the paradigm of a traditional stay at home mom who never worked and who will never work, taking numbers from Kentucky(!?) in the late 50's, early 60's as a base and slowly increasing from there. Add to this the fact that to get out of the ins…

That's a feature of marriage. "Therefore, examine whoever binds forever".

Maybe it's time to try out those term-limited renewable contract marriages that appeared in a lot of classic scifi.

Re: The Married Will Soon Be the Minority

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Post by dijit » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 7:35 AM UTC

bobsmooth wrote: post #24

dijit wrote: post #15

My ex wanted to get married and I was keen on the idea. But it is a scary endeavour with no practical upside, high financial cost and absurd legal risk. Why would I get married? Love? You can love without marriage. If marriage is to prove you love someone then I don’t think I want to bother loving anyone.

>no practical upside There's tax incentives and you become each other's medical proxy, among other things. >high financial cost The paperwork is cheap. Weddings are as expensive as you make them. >absurd legal risk That's true, divorces are expensive.

> There's tax incentives

That’s not universal, it’s not the case in Sweden for instance as far as I can make out.

But, the rest of what you said is true.

Though it’s unlikely that both partners who want to get married would want to forego a wedding ceremony.