The tech industry is chock full of spies working for one side or the other. FAANG has been an intelligence front since the beginning. The only bullshit here is targeting KSA, when everyone's involved.
Twitter is being sued for letting Saudi spies inside the company
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry, I responded to "this is a good idea" with "in case of X, it might be, but in reality, it isn't", and you think "but X is not true" undermines that argument?
Look, if you’re going to engage with me, cut the shit. You wrote: “If Twitter could assess a huge penalty on the plaintiff for filing a frivolous lawsuit, maybe.” If Twitter could assess a huge penalty, it would violate absolutely every single tenet of both the western justice system and all principles of natural justice. Companies don’t get to assess penalties when they think they’ve been wrong. Companies can sue fo…
There's nothing unusual about private parties being able to assess penalties against other private parties. Your bank does it all the time. It does not make a mockery of the justice system.
The justice system frequently does make a mockery of the justice system by assessing penalties, such as when someone is arrested, proves to have been someone other than the target, and then gets charged for the time they spent in jail.
If a failed frivolous lawsuit against Twitter automatically gave Twitter a claim on the plaintiff's assets, that would in fact not violate every tenet of the western justice system, nor would it violate all principles of natural justice. It is a system that has obtained elsewhere and that people frequently advocate for.
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#23Whether twitter was negligent or not the bigger lesson here is that you should assume every big tech company is compromised by every state that cares to do so. Don’t trust any company with compromising information. The bigger the company, the higher the chance that they employ a spy for your adversary.
It's also pretty much impossible for a big tech company to filter against this during hiring without risking catastrophic discrimination suits.
That’s the big problem. It’s absolutely insane that tech companies can’t keep foreign nationals and people with foreign ties from sensitive positions.
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#24Whether twitter was negligent or not the bigger lesson here is that you should assume every big tech company is compromised by every state that cares to do so. Don’t trust any company with compromising information. The bigger the company, the higher the chance that they employ a spy for your adversary.
It's also pretty much impossible for a big tech company to filter against this during hiring without risking catastrophic discrimination suits.
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#25The tech industry is chock full of spies working for one side or the other. FAANG has been an intelligence front since the beginning. The only bullshit here is targeting KSA, when everyone's involved.
Why do you say FAANG has been an intelligence front since the beginning?
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
Look, if you’re going to engage with me, cut the shit. You wrote: “If Twitter could assess a huge penalty on the plaintiff for filing a frivolous lawsuit, maybe.” If Twitter could assess a huge penalty, it would violate absolutely every single tenet of both the western justice system and all principles of natural justice. Companies don’t get to assess penalties when they think they’ve been wrong. Companies can sue fo…
There's nothing unusual about private parties being able to assess penalties against other private parties. Your bank does it all the time. It does not make a mockery of the justice system. The justice system frequently does make a mockery of the justice system by assessing penalties, such as when someone is arrested, proves to have been someone other than the target, and then gets charged for the time they spent in…
> There's nothing unusual about private parties being able to assess penalties against other private parties
Absent a contract, there is, and even with a contract there are limits.
> Your bank does it all the time.
Within a contractual relation and governed by the contract, sure. But that's not what you are talking about.
> It does not make a mockery of the justice system.
Outside of the bounds of contract, it would, as it would amount to private parties making and adjudicating public law.
> If a failed frivolous lawsuit against Twitter automatically gave Twitter a claim on the plaintiff's assets, that would in fact not violate every tenet of the western justice system,
Yes, it would. Now, if merely a failed lawsuit did, it might not, as the failure itself is the conclusion of an adjudication, leaving no private determination to be made.
> It is a system that has obtained elsewhere and that people frequently advocate for.
No, its not, nor is it Twitter assessing a penalty. Loser pays is civil lawsuits is a thing, but it involves the court, not the offended party, assessing the penalty.
Loser pays for frivolous lawsuits only (but not all failed lawsuits) is also a thing, and is common in US jurisdictions, but requires a separate court determination that the claim was frivolous as well as the court assessing damages.
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#27The tech industry is chock full of spies working for one side or the other. FAANG has been an intelligence front since the beginning. The only bullshit here is targeting KSA, when everyone's involved.
Why do you say FAANG has been an intelligence front since the beginning?
PRISM would seem to support that idea.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's also pretty much impossible for a big tech company to filter against this during hiring without risking catastrophic discrimination suits.
That’s the big problem. It’s absolutely insane that tech companies can’t keep foreign nationals and people with foreign ties from sensitive positions.
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#29The argument that being a victim of espionage constitutes per se negligence seems like a stretch. For spies to exist at all, they need to fool whatever supervision is in place. For missing them to be negligence, it would have to be easy to prevent spying from happening. When a warbler feeds a cuckoo chick and lets his own chicks starve, is that because he's a bad parent who could be fixed with a lawsuit, or is it jus…
I imagine the argument is that twitter was negligent in allowing employees access to the security tool this guy used to track Saudi dissidents without oversight and shouldn't have warned him that the FBI was investigating him?
Not even close:
> The claim filed Thursday in California alleges [among other things] that Twitter should have known that these two men were unfit employees
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's also pretty much impossible for a big tech company to filter against this during hiring without risking catastrophic discrimination suits.
That’s the big problem. It’s absolutely insane that tech companies can’t keep foreign nationals and people with foreign ties from sensitive positions.
Please elaborate on what the insanity is.