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Amazon will allow many employees to work remotely indefinitely

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Re: Amazon will allow many employees to work remotely indefinitely

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Post by lolsal »

kreeben wrote: post #12
KallDrexx wrote: post #2

From the blog post > At this stage, we want most of our people close enough to their core team that they can easily travel to the office for a meeting within a day’s notice. We also know that many people have found the ability to work remotely from a different location for a few weeks at a time inspiring and reenergizing. We want to support this flexibility and will continue to offer those corporate employees, who ca…

>> work up to four weeks per year fully remote Wow, that's really something. Personally, having spent a pandemic working fully remote I wouldn't even consider working for a company that didn't offer that as an unquestionable human right, didn't frown upon it, didn't consider it to be "a way to refresh my sense of duty" and didn't think of it as a privilege. I'm never going back to the open landscape of hell.

> I wouldn't even consider working for a company that didn't offer that as an unquestionable human right,

I don't think things you prefer automatically get elevated to 'unquestionable human rights'.

Re: Amazon will allow many employees to work remotely indefinitely

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Post by jon-wood »

KallDrexx wrote: post #2

From the blog post > At this stage, we want most of our people close enough to their core team that they can easily travel to the office for a meeting within a day’s notice. We also know that many people have found the ability to work remotely from a different location for a few weeks at a time inspiring and reenergizing. We want to support this flexibility and will continue to offer those corporate employees, who ca…

How disorganised does a team need to be that they need to call meetings so involved they can only be done in-person with less than 24 hour’s notice? This isn’t a genuine business requirement, it’s just management wanting to remind everyone that they’re on a leash which can be yanked whenever they like.

Re: Amazon will allow many employees to work remotely indefinitely

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Post by kreeben »

lolsal wrote: post #21
kreeben wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> work up to four weeks per year fully remote Wow, that's really something. Personally, having spent a pandemic working fully remote I wouldn't even consider working for a company that didn't offer that as an unquestionable human right, didn't frown upon it, didn't consider it to be "a way to refresh my sense of duty" and didn't think of it as a privilege. I'm never going back to the open landscape of hell.

> I wouldn't even consider working for a company that didn't offer that as an unquestionable human right, I don't think things you prefer automatically get elevated to 'unquestionable human rights'.

Then you must think of it as a privilege. And I shall not work for you.

Re: Amazon will allow many employees to work remotely indefinitely

#25

Post by ripper1138 »

kreeben wrote: post #12
KallDrexx wrote: post #2

From the blog post > At this stage, we want most of our people close enough to their core team that they can easily travel to the office for a meeting within a day’s notice. We also know that many people have found the ability to work remotely from a different location for a few weeks at a time inspiring and reenergizing. We want to support this flexibility and will continue to offer those corporate employees, who ca…

>> work up to four weeks per year fully remote Wow, that's really something. Personally, having spent a pandemic working fully remote I wouldn't even consider working for a company that didn't offer that as an unquestionable human right, didn't frown upon it, didn't consider it to be "a way to refresh my sense of duty" and didn't think of it as a privilege. I'm never going back to the open landscape of hell.

Unquestionable human right?? Christ we are spoiled in tech.

Re: Amazon will allow many employees to work remotely indefinitely

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Post by andrewjf »

jon-wood wrote: post #22
KallDrexx wrote: post #2

From the blog post > At this stage, we want most of our people close enough to their core team that they can easily travel to the office for a meeting within a day’s notice. We also know that many people have found the ability to work remotely from a different location for a few weeks at a time inspiring and reenergizing. We want to support this flexibility and will continue to offer those corporate employees, who ca…

How disorganised does a team need to be that they need to call meetings so involved they can only be done in-person with less than 24 hour’s notice? This isn’t a genuine business requirement, it’s just management wanting to remind everyone that they’re on a leash which can be yanked whenever they like.

I've found this really depends on seniority. Higher seniorities like principle engineers, senior managers, directors, vp meetings are much different than a normal stand up, strategy session or engineering discussion and physical presence does have an advantage. But I admit this isn't likely to be the target audience for the original policy.

Re: Amazon will allow many employees to work remotely indefinitely

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Post by lolsal »

kreeben wrote: post #24
lolsal wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wouldn't even consider working for a company that didn't offer that as an unquestionable human right, I don't think things you prefer automatically get elevated to 'unquestionable human rights'.

Then you must think of it as a privilege. And I shall not work for you.

I understand and that's fine. I don't actually care about where you work in this context.

Human Rights are special things. They aren't preferences. The more you conflate the two, the more you erode your position and the term 'human right' in general. I would urge you to stop doing that.

Re: Amazon will allow many employees to work remotely indefinitely

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Post by kreeben »

ripper1138 wrote: post #25
kreeben wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> work up to four weeks per year fully remote Wow, that's really something. Personally, having spent a pandemic working fully remote I wouldn't even consider working for a company that didn't offer that as an unquestionable human right, didn't frown upon it, didn't consider it to be "a way to refresh my sense of duty" and didn't think of it as a privilege. I'm never going back to the open landscape of hell.

Unquestionable human right?? Christ we are spoiled in tech.

It is not I who is spoiled. It is old school boomer management who have become spoiled and exploitative.

Re: Amazon will allow many employees to work remotely indefinitely

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Post by shukantpal »

kreeben wrote: post #24
lolsal wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wouldn't even consider working for a company that didn't offer that as an unquestionable human right, I don't think things you prefer automatically get elevated to 'unquestionable human rights'.

Then you must think of it as a privilege. And I shall not work for you.

I won't hire you either.

Re: Amazon will allow many employees to work remotely indefinitely

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Post by arnvald »

taurath wrote: post #7
KallDrexx wrote: post #2

From the blog post > At this stage, we want most of our people close enough to their core team that they can easily travel to the office for a meeting within a day’s notice. We also know that many people have found the ability to work remotely from a different location for a few weeks at a time inspiring and reenergizing. We want to support this flexibility and will continue to offer those corporate employees, who ca…

Really curious why only within country? Security reasons? Also why 4 weeks? Just to be available for meetings? I find it funny that this is the American version of a nice holiday - go pay money to rent an Airbnb so you can work in a different environment.

There are a number of reasons, first is that by working from another location you might be breaking the law, second is taxes - if you stay somewhere long enough they might argue you need to pay income tax there. Lastly, data protection laws vary per country and there's a chance you have to give your laptop with company data to authorities in another country, which might be a security issue.
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