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Re: Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement

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I have never understood the whole "tax the rich" idea and I am not rich, don't own a house or car or stocks or anything expensive. When and how will the taxes help you and me? The money just ends up going to a black hole for the government to spent inefficiently. And if you are in the US, the money gets spent on funding the military industrial complex for bombing more countries, regime changes, intelligence agencies,…

wonderful video! learnt something today :)

Re: Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Governments want to tax profits rather than revenues. A tax on revenues would kill a lot of high growth businesses.

And yet they tax individuals on our revenues and not our profits …

Not completely. You can get some deductions for various expenses like housing and medical. It is not fully a tax on revenue.

Re: Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Governments want to tax profits rather than revenues. A tax on revenues would kill a lot of high growth businesses.

And yet they tax individuals on our revenues and not our profits …

There are definitely expenses you can incur that result in either a taxable income reduction or a tax deduction - there aren't many of them (most individual expenditures aren't considered expenses in the way that profits are measured) - but there are some.

As an example in Canada one newly recognized tax exemption for 2020 was a 400$ flat tax deduction for remote working.

You can argue that more tax burden should be shifted initially to corporations but I think that expenses and taxes have aligned in a way that makes a predominantly revenue based individual tax fair - corporations could also easily carry revenue based taxes, some low margin business would become infeasible but every economic policy shifts that line in some manner.

Re: Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement

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post #4

Ireland is about to discover how unattractive it is as a locale for multinational HQs when the playing field is somewhat more level. And I'm in favor of the move as a middle class US taxpayer and a small business owner who pays through the nose, but this is a quite obvious self-own in the long run for them, much for the same reason why introducing a wealth tax was a self-own for France. Big Money is mobile, sophistic…

I just saw 100 new $740m shell companies lol

Assuming Irish tax collections aren't idiots either one of those companies owns all the shell companies - or those "independent" companies will be cooperating in a very anti-trust vulnerable manner.

Re: Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Governments want to tax profits rather than revenues. A tax on revenues would kill a lot of high growth businesses.

And yet they tax individuals on our revenues and not our profits …

That’s because there are no “low-margin” wage workers, who make large figures in gross salary, but also have extremely high “costs of earning wage”. I can’t think of any wage worker who would fit this bill. At best, this could apply to some self-employed people, but they can just incorporate. Maybe it would also apply to very low-wage workers, if you consider food and housing as cost of revenue, but then again low wage workers already pay basically no income tax.

Re: Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement

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post #6

I've always been baffled as to how this is seen as a multi-national issue. The US could always implement unilateral minimum VAT and profit[3] taxes on corporations forcing them to effectively pay whatever proportion the US demands to continue doing business in the world's largest consumer market. Just because you're only paying 3%[1] profit[3] tax in Bermuda doesn't mean you can necessarily skate around the remaining…

Governments want to tax profits rather than revenues. A tax on revenues would kill a lot of high growth businesses.

> A tax on revenues would kill a lot of high growth businesses.

A tax on revenues would also kill a great many low profit businesses

    Oil and gas extraction: -7.6%
    Support activities for mining: 0.6%
    Beverage manufacturing: 0.8%
    Grocery and related product merchant wholesalers: 1.9%
    Lawn and garden equipment and supplies stores: 2.0%
    Miscellaneous durable goods merchant wholesalers: 2.3%
    Petroleum and petroleum products merchant wholesalers: 2.4%
    Grocery stores: 2.5%
    Automobile dealers: 3.2%
    Building material and supplies dealers: 3.2%
    Continuing care retirement communities and assisted living facilities for the elderly: 3.3%
    Other motor vehicle dealers: 3.3%
    Home furnishings stores: 3.3%
    Furniture stores: 3.4%
    Beer, wine, and liquor stores: 3.4%
from https://www.lendio.com/news/small-business-outlook/most-prof...

Re: Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement

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post #7
post #4

Ireland is about to discover how unattractive it is as a locale for multinational HQs when the playing field is somewhat more level. And I'm in favor of the move as a middle class US taxpayer and a small business owner who pays through the nose, but this is a quite obvious self-own in the long run for them, much for the same reason why introducing a wealth tax was a self-own for France. Big Money is mobile, sophistic…

Sure - but it's the process of making the world a better place. The more these tax havens get shut down the fewer (and riskier) places that corporations have to shelter their revenue.

A non-elected set of administrators advocating for taxes make the world a better place? Which world are we talking about?

Re: Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement

#28
post #6

I've always been baffled as to how this is seen as a multi-national issue. The US could always implement unilateral minimum VAT and profit[3] taxes on corporations forcing them to effectively pay whatever proportion the US demands to continue doing business in the world's largest consumer market. Just because you're only paying 3%[1] profit[3] tax in Bermuda doesn't mean you can necessarily skate around the remaining…

You probably have to be very clever to set this up so they can't be Company A (US) Ltd registering very little profit as they have to pay royalties to Company A (Tax Haven) limited without also inflicting massive collateral damage to smaller companies that can't afford the tax lawyers or preventing foreign companies from selling anything in the US.
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