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Re: Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to share their location

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

kreeben wrote: post #17
nsonha wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All these forks will die because even firefox, a well organised OSS project is struggling That leaves Edge, Chrome, Opera and Vivaldi Because you even mentioned them, I don't think you understand the question. Let me rephrase it: who will develop, and have a sustainable business model for a new browser engine and break Chromium's monoculture, other than Firefox?

>> firefox, a well organised OSS project I see no proof of this. >> is struggling Money-wise, no. Management-wise, hell-to-the-yes.

Every time I see Mozilla mentioned on HN, I get sad how badly they screwed things :(

Re: Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to share their location

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Post by sudobash1 »

perihelions wrote: post #11

The dark pattern in one image: https://regmedia.co.uk/2021/10/07/suggest.jpg I and I think many others chose "Customize in settings" -- but the actual opt-out is that hard-to-see, third button in small print. We didn't "get opted-in automatically" -- it's this dialog we "opted in" with.

I would choose that button particularly because the "not now" button sounds like it would prompt us again in the future. It really doesn't sound like an opt-out.

Re: Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to share their location

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Post by [deleted] »

sudobash1 wrote: post #20

I'm not sure how long this message has been here, but Firefox does have this note on it's website[1]: > We haven't quite hit our mark. We've received feedback that it's difficult to figure out which Firefox experience you've got enabled. We are hard at work to address this and continue to improve the feature. [1] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/navigate-web-faster-fir...

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Re: Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to share their location

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Post by throwaway2048 »

jjcon wrote: post #19
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brave being webkit, it's not an alternative.

>Brave being webkit, it's not an alternative. Brave is Blink not webkit - Blink has been developed by Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Intel and many others. It is the standard for web rendering just as linux is for web hosting. There is nothing wrong with open standards.

Blink is in no way an "open standard"

Re: Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to share their location

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Post by throwaway661885 »

jjcon wrote: post #19
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brave being webkit, it's not an alternative.

>Brave being webkit, it's not an alternative. Brave is Blink not webkit - Blink has been developed by Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Intel and many others. It is the standard for web rendering just as linux is for web hosting. There is nothing wrong with open standards.

It's not as open as one would think. The corporations have too much control over it that if someone forks it, they will be left behind. Check how syncing was disabled in chromium recently.

Re: Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to share their location

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Post by sharps1 »

nsonha wrote: post #16
kunagi7 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well... A few years ago I did the same journey, abandoning Firefox for something else. There's several stable and serious browsers out there. After looking for weeks I created a list of categories... And it depends on what are you willing to sacrifice: Just want a plain browser, without logins, synchronization, without ANY external connections etc: Ungoogled-chromium (Windows, Linux...) and Bromite (Android). Don't c…

All these forks will die because even firefox, a well organised OSS project is struggling That leaves Edge, Chrome, Opera and Vivaldi Because you even mentioned them, I don't think you understand the question. Let me rephrase it: who will develop, and have a sustainable business model for a new browser engine and break Chromium's monoculture, other than Firefox?

Vivaldi only has a small team. They said in 2016 they only needed five million users to turn a profit (They generate income based on search engine referrals).

Another downside to Vivaldi is they don’t push out many releases meaning that their security is likely lagging behind. My assumption on this is their custom UI takes a while to build after a new release.

Edge and Chrome both push out timely security updates.

EDIT: Typo.

Re: Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to share their location

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Post by intelMgmntEnema »

perihelions wrote: post #5
intelMgmntEnema wrote: post #2

A 700+point related post from yesterday that was flagged as a dupe because another with 80 points had been posted previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28783381

I think it's interestingly different from that other HN thread (and its dupe). This story is about this consent dialog [0] -- particularly the sneaky "not now" in the top corner -- that weren't mentioned at all in the (mozilla.org) article submission. I think most HN'ers aren't even aware of it (or at least I can't find any specific comments about it -- in fact I read multiple comments where I believe HN'ers misunder…

Interestingly different, yes. But still related to the barrage of vomit spewing from Mozilla lately, for example:

"Firefox Now Sends Your Address Bar Keystrokes to Mozilla"

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28804588

Re: Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to share their location

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Post by jjcon »

throwaway661885 wrote: post #25
jjcon wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Brave being webkit, it's not an alternative. Brave is Blink not webkit - Blink has been developed by Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Intel and many others. It is the standard for web rendering just as linux is for web hosting. There is nothing wrong with open standards.

It's not as open as one would think. The corporations have too much control over it that if someone forks it, they will be left behind. Check how syncing was disabled in chromium recently.

>if someone forks it, they will be left behind

Is gecko any different in this regard? That is how forking works.

>The corporations have too much control over it

Blink seems better in this regard, it has received major contributions from just about every major tech company out there diversifying its control. Gecko has been primarily just mozilla (especially these days since it only represents about 3% of the market).

Re: Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to share their location

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Post by sharps1 »

perihelions wrote: post #11

The dark pattern in one image: https://regmedia.co.uk/2021/10/07/suggest.jpg I and I think many others chose "Customize in settings" -- but the actual opt-out is that hard-to-see, third button in small print. We didn't "get opted-in automatically" -- it's this dialog we "opted in" with.

I don’t even remember seeing this image. It was enabled on three separate machines.

Re: Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to share their location

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

jjcon wrote: post #19
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brave being webkit, it's not an alternative.

>Brave being webkit, it's not an alternative. Brave is Blink not webkit - Blink has been developed by Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Intel and many others. It is the standard for web rendering just as linux is for web hosting. There is nothing wrong with open standards.

The fact you state blink is a standard is everything that is wrong with browser monoculture.

It's like we didn't learn anything from IE6.

Also blink is just a fork of webkit.

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