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Twitch Hack of 135 GB of Data Includes How Much Its Biggest Streamers Make

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Post by yamazakiwi »

celticninja wrote: post #15
mywittyname wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd prefer to keep my finances private, thanks. No good can come from nosey-ass family members, scammers, sales people, etc knowing this kind of information. It doesn't fight against tax evasion or anything, because the wealthy of the world will have yet another incentive to mask their income / assets through any of the number of mechanisms currently available. If you want pay transparency to fight pay inequality, th…

Imagine not trusting your family with knowing how much you earn.

Must be nice to assume it's difficult for people to imagine. Are you a minor? There are many people without trusting families...

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Post by plandis »

janandonly wrote: post #2

I lament the fact that we need hacks like these to know who makes how much money. In countries like Norway, that kind of data is publicly available. It makes for less second-guessing and less suspiciousness. It always struck me as weird that the American Dream can best be lived in Scandinavia

I’d be absolutely willing to bet your average American would not classify giving up their right to privacy as part of the American dream.

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Post by BogdanPetre »

celticninja wrote: post #15
mywittyname wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd prefer to keep my finances private, thanks. No good can come from nosey-ass family members, scammers, sales people, etc knowing this kind of information. It doesn't fight against tax evasion or anything, because the wealthy of the world will have yet another incentive to mask their income / assets through any of the number of mechanisms currently available. If you want pay transparency to fight pay inequality, th…

Imagine not trusting your family with knowing how much you earn.

it's probably more current than you would think...

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Post by krobbn »

willcipriano wrote: post #3
janandonly wrote: post #2

I lament the fact that we need hacks like these to know who makes how much money. In countries like Norway, that kind of data is publicly available. It makes for less second-guessing and less suspiciousness. It always struck me as weird that the American Dream can best be lived in Scandinavia

I always heard that salary data was available in Norway but high end streamers are probably running these funds through a corporation. Does Norway have essentially open books for firms?

Getting a persons private salary is slightly more arduous thank looking at the income of companies.

That can easily be found on a site like proff.no

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Post by brightlancer »

warent wrote: post #4
janandonly wrote: post #2

I lament the fact that we need hacks like these to know who makes how much money. In countries like Norway, that kind of data is publicly available. It makes for less second-guessing and less suspiciousness. It always struck me as weird that the American Dream can best be lived in Scandinavia

From my perspective, in American culture very few people are mature enough to handle discussing income without feeling a hugely inflated ego or completely inferior to their peers. (Maybe true elsewhere but I can't speak to those places!) The reason it's kept secret is because people can't help but turn it into the proverbial dick measuring or whatever is a more polite way of putting it. As for the American Dream, it…

American culture is really broad.

I don't see the immaturity angle. I think lots of folks become envious and it creates hostility, but envy shouldn't be written off as immaturity.

In some cultures in the USA, money issues are kept private. And even among the cultures where it isn't, individuals may be comfortable sharing it themselves but not with others sharing it, or it being broadcast to the world.

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Post by hunter-gatherer »

celticninja wrote: post #15
mywittyname wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd prefer to keep my finances private, thanks. No good can come from nosey-ass family members, scammers, sales people, etc knowing this kind of information. It doesn't fight against tax evasion or anything, because the wealthy of the world will have yet another incentive to mask their income / assets through any of the number of mechanisms currently available. If you want pay transparency to fight pay inequality, th…

Imagine not trusting your family with knowing how much you earn.

I agree with the others here. unfortunately for a lot of people it is not something they have to imagine. I don't support the down votes though. I think your comment brings an important issue front and center.

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Post by errantspark »

mywittyname wrote: post #7
janandonly wrote: post #2

I lament the fact that we need hacks like these to know who makes how much money. In countries like Norway, that kind of data is publicly available. It makes for less second-guessing and less suspiciousness. It always struck me as weird that the American Dream can best be lived in Scandinavia

I'd prefer to keep my finances private, thanks. No good can come from nosey-ass family members, scammers, sales people, etc knowing this kind of information. It doesn't fight against tax evasion or anything, because the wealthy of the world will have yet another incentive to mask their income / assets through any of the number of mechanisms currently available. If you want pay transparency to fight pay inequality, th…

I can imagine a society that doesn't value privacy functioning much better than ours if the lack of privacy is somehow thoroughly universalized. Secrets allow for concentration of power, something we should avoid.

That being said I'm well aware of how load bearing "somehow thoroughly universalized" is in my statement. Perhaps it's only possible in a culture that truly rejects secret keeping as deeply harmful from an individual level up. I don't believe we can get there from here anytime soon, and if we tried it would just be another system for the people who figure out how to keep secrets to exploit that info asymmetry. In a world of cooperating actors though . . . yeah, I know I'm dreaming.

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Post by jazzyjackson »

adventured wrote: post #8
janandonly wrote: post #2

I lament the fact that we need hacks like these to know who makes how much money. In countries like Norway, that kind of data is publicly available. It makes for less second-guessing and less suspiciousness. It always struck me as weird that the American Dream can best be lived in Scandinavia

> It always struck me as weird that the American Dream can best be lived in Scandinavia It should strike you as weird, because that's false. The American Dream can be best lived by Scandinavians in the US. Scandinavians do better in the US than they do in Scandinavia and that has been true for the past century. Among the US population, people from Scandinavia and or of Scandinavian descent produce exceptional outcome…

Aside from the sampling bias of "Scandinavians who chose to emigrate to America", I'm unconvinced that "greater wealth" is the only metric for "american dream"

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Post by duxup »

janandonly wrote: post #2

I lament the fact that we need hacks like these to know who makes how much money. In countries like Norway, that kind of data is publicly available. It makes for less second-guessing and less suspiciousness. It always struck me as weird that the American Dream can best be lived in Scandinavia

I'm not sure it should matter / I should have access to whatever financial transactions take place between someone and twitch and their audience...

Generally I'd respect those folks rights to have that info remain private. They can always share if they want.

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Post by zo1 »

celticninja wrote: post #16
trixie_ wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A good portion of the United States is against any sort of identification system in general. It’s why voting is so complicated. Some kind open income system in unfathomable to the vast majority of Americans.

So are a lot of things that the rest of the world do, but the rest of the world keep on doing them and they work just fine. Almost like the issue isn't the 'thing' being done, but the people.

Almost like humans will endure and do anything to just be left alone to live their lives. Just because it "works just fine" doesn't mean it's what people want, nor does it mean that it's the ideal for that set of humans. Hey, here's a thought, let people pick if they want their salary public and attached to them.
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