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Re: Did iOS 15 kill Google AMP

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Post by joshstrange » Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 4:07 PM UTC

zbowling wrote: post #15

theshrike79 wrote: post #4

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Amplosion got a big boost by being made by the same guy who did Apollo (pretty much the de facto Reddit client on iOS). I don't get bothered by AMP pages that much, but I paid the few euros for Amplosion just to support Christian's work and give a middle finger to Google's attempts to take over the web.

Apollo is not the defacto reddit client. Reddit's own app is.

> Apollo is not the defacto reddit client. Reddit's own app is.

Reddit's is the official client.

> Defacto: in fact, or in effect, whether by right or not

I think in this case the validity of the word "defacto" depends on your sample population. Apollo is very popular (and a fantastic reddit client, I wish there was an equivalent for HN) but I can't imagine it's marketshare is anywhere close to even 50%. Among tech enthusiasts I'll bet it ranks pretty high. Similar to an app like Overcast. If you poll HN or other tech communities I bet it's well represented but in the broader ecosystem it's a small fish.

Re: Did iOS 15 kill Google AMP

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Post by whydoyoucare » Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 4:12 PM UTC

hibern8 wrote: post #18

Nextgrid wrote: post #17

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Reddit's own app is an adware & malware that happens to display some Reddit content.

Source for the malware claim?

I believe (s)he wanted imply reddit's official app displays a lot of inline advertisements and other stuff that makes it difficult to determine what is legit subscribed content and what is sneakily inserted by reddit.

Maybe I am wrong.

Re: Did iOS 15 kill Google AMP

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Post by gruez » Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 4:14 PM UTC

afavour wrote: post #13

Google launched "Core Web Vitals" a while back as their "open" alternative to the requirement to provide AMP versions of pages. It's possible they're running some kind of A/B test with AMP vs CWV calculation and filtering based on iOS version. Maybe an odd thing to do but IMO no less odd than giving up on AMP in iOS 15 because of browser extensions, I can't believe the number of people using AMP-blocking extensions i…

>I can't believe the number of people using AMP-blocking extensions is that high yet.

by what metric? I think it being high on the app charts is more indicative of that category being deserted and therefore easy to be on top, than everybody and their mom downloading it. A few days ago I saw a post mentioning that Amplosion was #1 on the "utilities" chart. Now it's #27, and the top apps are 1) a proxy manager 2) calculator 3) dark mode extension for safari.

Re: Did iOS 15 kill Google AMP

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Post by blendergeek » Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 4:18 PM UTC

hibern8 wrote: post #18

Nextgrid wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit's own app is an adware & malware that happens to display some Reddit content.

Source for the malware claim?

From Wikipedia the Free Encyclopedia:

> Programs are also considered malware if they secretly act against the interests of the computer user.

There are two criteria that software must meet to fit this definition:

1. The software must act against the interests of the computer user.

2. This must be done "secretly".

I unfortunately do not know much about the Reddit App for iOS so I can't make a judgement as to whether it fits definition 2. I think I can say with confidence it fits definition 1.

Re: Did iOS 15 kill Google AMP

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Post by Nextgrid » Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 4:20 PM UTC

hibern8 wrote: post #18

Nextgrid wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit's own app is an adware & malware that happens to display some Reddit content.

Source for the malware claim?

It tracks you for advertising purposes. That's malicious in my book.

Re: Did iOS 15 kill Google AMP

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Post by jamil7 » Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 4:27 PM UTC

SllX wrote: post #20

zbowling wrote: post #15

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Apollo is not the defacto reddit client. Reddit's own app is.

Nah. Reddit’s client is the official Reddit client, but Apollo is the de facto one for people who want to actually use Reddit. Also Apollo now has a Safari extension which will automatically redirect Reddit links to Apollo. Previously this was a manual process after the page already loaded after telling Reddit for the umpteen-billionth time you want Safari, not the official Reddit client.

This. I think I would actually give up on reddit without apollo, the official app and website are user-hostile. I wonder if they will tighten the API up and eventually kill third-party clients.

Re: Did iOS 15 kill Google AMP

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Post by eli » Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 4:27 PM UTC

joshstrange wrote: post #21

zbowling wrote: post #15

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Apollo is not the defacto reddit client. Reddit's own app is.

> Apollo is not the defacto reddit client. Reddit's own app is. Reddit's is the official client. > Defacto: in fact, or in effect, whether by right or not I think in this case the validity of the word "defacto" depends on your sample population. Apollo is very popular (and a fantastic reddit client, I wish there was an equivalent for HN) but I can't imagine it's marketshare is anywhere close to even 50%. Among tech e…

Reddit pushes the official client hard from the mobile website. I'm sure its marketshare is huge.

Re: Did iOS 15 kill Google AMP

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Post by finger » Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 4:28 PM UTC

rubyist5eva wrote: post #10

TIL there are AMP blockers on Safari...brb

I moved to duckduckgo because of how AMP breaks moat sites on iOS .. I too would like one of those AMP blockers

Re: Did iOS 15 kill Google AMP

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Post by toomuchtodo » Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 4:30 PM UTC

jamil7 wrote: post #26

SllX wrote: post #20

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Nah. Reddit’s client is the official Reddit client, but Apollo is the de facto one for people who want to actually use Reddit. Also Apollo now has a Safari extension which will automatically redirect Reddit links to Apollo. Previously this was a manual process after the page already loaded after telling Reddit for the umpteen-billionth time you want Safari, not the official Reddit client.

This. I think I would actually give up on reddit without apollo, the official app and website are user-hostile. I wonder if they will tighten the API up and eventually kill third-party clients.

If Apollo is the interface, what is Reddit besides a JSON document store and object storage for media? Once Apollo is big enough (network effects, critical mass, whatevs), it could spin off of Reddit as the backend (Cloudflare R2 for objects, workers and KV for comments). You can even backfill from the numerous Reddit archives (Internet Archive, Pushshift, etc) out there.

(Apollo user with an interest in a distributed web platform)

Re: Did iOS 15 kill Google AMP

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Post by true_religion » Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 4:30 PM UTC

jamil7 wrote: post #26

SllX wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah. Reddit’s client is the official Reddit client, but Apollo is the de facto one for people who want to actually use Reddit. Also Apollo now has a Safari extension which will automatically redirect Reddit links to Apollo. Previously this was a manual process after the page already loaded after telling Reddit for the umpteen-billionth time you want Safari, not the official Reddit client.

This. I think I would actually give up on reddit without apollo, the official app and website are user-hostile. I wonder if they will tighten the API up and eventually kill third-party clients.

They should just hire the guy. I wouldn’t mind Apollo with ads from Reddit official.