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Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by rataata_jr » Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 2:18 PM UTC

tailspin2019 wrote: post #14

eljimmy wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's true - China's numbers, unsurprisingly, really don't give light to how badly they were impacted. I remember reading about how they were building brand new hospitals to cope. Literally building a brand new hospital. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/31/pictures-china-builds-two-ho... Looking back on that, it's interesting to think about how that should have been a major warning sign of things to come for the rest of t…

> Literally building a brand new hospital. We built multiple temporary hospitals in the UK too. And albeit not so widely reported, temporary morgues. To be honest I assumed a whole bunch of countries were doing this...

Temporary hospitals were a thing here in India as well. Marriage halls, schools and unis were repurposed to have lots of beds for covid patients.

Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by AdrianB1 » Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 2:18 PM UTC

qiqitori wrote: post #9

formerly_proven wrote: post #4

Currently working on a new design for a client, it's quite a pain. Lots of things, even mundane things like connectors and such are out of stock / low stock and usually quite a bit more expensive.

I was looking to buy parallel EEPROMs (DIP) a couple days ago and found they were pretty expensive and mostly unavailable. I was wondering if that's because this type of IC is rather niche these days, or whether it's due to what's called the "chip shortage". If anyone knows or has an educated opinion, please let me know...

Price gouging in most cases, supported by difficulties in transportation and customs. I work in manufacturing (not IT products) and this is what we see. Chip shortage is real, but not every single type of chip.

Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by CydeWeys » Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 2:18 PM UTC

tailspin2019 wrote: post #17

antiSingularity wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've got that mixed up. The reason that supply chains are in disarray are because of the enormous disruption caused by Covid restrictions and lockdowns, not because people were literally dying of Covid on the job. You could infer that if we hadn't acted the way we did, then what I described would have actually happened and things would be a lot worse. You could also infer that long-term and large-scale control of a…

I think the parent was more making the point that however we chose to deal with the pandemic, it was difficult to avoid disruption to the supply chain. I guess the potential nuance is, blaming it on "lock downs" gets vaguely political whereas blaming it on the root cause, the pandemic, puts emphasis on the wider point that any actual pandemic of this magnitude is of course going to disrupt the worlds supply chain one…

> I guess the potential nuance is, blaming it on "lock downs" gets vaguely political whereas blaming it on the root cause, the pandemic, puts emphasis on the wider point that any actual pandemic of this magnitude is of course going to disrupt the worlds supply chain one way or another.

Thank you for phrasing so perfectly the exact point I was making. It feels disingenuous when people solely blame the reactions to a worldwide pandemic while ignoring that the worldwide pandemic was still gonna be happening regardless.

Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by Factorium » Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 2:18 PM UTC

CydeWeys wrote: post #5

brink wrote: post #2

Whatever your opinion is about the lockdowns, there is one thing everyone should be able to agree on; they destabilize just about everything. I'm worried about people going hungry or not being able to heat their home this winter from the ripple effects.

Weird to blame the lockdowns when the real cause was the pandemic. It's not like everyone was going to continually working normally in crowded spaces with people dropping like flies in the hospitals. China especially was hit so incredibly badly in that first wave; it was always gonna go pear-shaped no matter what.

Life continued as normal in Sweden, Russia, Belarus... the pandemic 'response' was driven by the media and politicians. If there is surge of deaths in nursing homes (typically 50% of COVID deaths), it has no impact on the rest of the economy.

Many of those same politicians later benefitted to tune of millions of dollars from advance knowledge of federal bank intervention in markets. If there was no lockdown, this opportunity would not have occurred. There was a clear conflict of interest.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fed-vice-chair-traded-stocks-1527...

Its the same for individuals who bought into MRNA startups eg. BioNTech in 2019 - there's a clear financial motivation to promote disruptive lockdown, in order to position vaccines as the cure.

https://trialsitenews.com/gates-earns-10x-on-biontech-in-jus...

Its likely that lockdowns worsen COVID, because of the reduction in health from lower Vitamin D (staying inside), poorer diets, increased stress, and reduction of exposure of younger people (school cancellations, nightclub closures etc.) who usually form the bulk of the herd immunity population for seasonal respiratory viruses.

Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by CydeWeys » Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 2:19 PM UTC

goalieca wrote: post #8

the-dude wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Manufacturers were anticipating lower demand due to COVID effects, not lockdowns per se. It is not like life would have continued uninterrupted without lockdowns.

Every economic forecast I read in April 2020 assumed things would be open by q3/q4 last year.

Sounds like that forecast was wrong then. Also, you should've been looking at the forecasts from epidemiologists, not economists. Viruses don't care about what economists want.

Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by ihsw » Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 2:19 PM UTC

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #15

CydeWeys wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weird to blame the lockdowns when the real cause was the pandemic. It's not like everyone was going to continually working normally in crowded spaces with people dropping like flies in the hospitals. China especially was hit so incredibly badly in that first wave; it was always gonna go pear-shaped no matter what.

How much this was due to organic behaviour changes in the population and how much was due to government regulations isn't clear to me at this point, only that it was both. Sweden and Denmark have ended all covid state restrictions afaik - anyone has data on how that affected productivity?

The implication that government policy has an effect on individual choices is a fallacy -- assertions that lockdowns destroyed productivity (it didn't) are false and assertions that relieving lockdowns restored productivity (it didn't) are also false.

Individuals will behave in their best interest regardless of external factors like unelected and unaccountable bureaucrats.

Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by antiSingularity » Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 2:21 PM UTC

tailspin2019 wrote: post #17

antiSingularity wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've got that mixed up. The reason that supply chains are in disarray are because of the enormous disruption caused by Covid restrictions and lockdowns, not because people were literally dying of Covid on the job. You could infer that if we hadn't acted the way we did, then what I described would have actually happened and things would be a lot worse. You could also infer that long-term and large-scale control of a…

I think the parent was more making the point that however we chose to deal with the pandemic, it was difficult to avoid disruption to the supply chain. I guess the potential nuance is, blaming it on "lock downs" gets vaguely political whereas blaming it on the root cause, the pandemic, puts emphasis on the wider point that any actual pandemic of this magnitude is of course going to disrupt the worlds supply chain one…

In my opinion, blaming it on the pandemic is misleading, and hides the true cause of our problems. As I said, supply chains are disrupted because everyone was confined to their houses and completely changed their consumer and business spending habits. Referring to the title of this article, Intel NIC orders are not disrupted because all of the factory workers are dead of Covid. They are disrupted because supply and demand of all goods has radically changed, and our modern way of life depends on a very fragile balance of the flow of goods being maintained.

As I also pointed out, we will also never know how much good we actually did. You can tell me it's "obvious" that it did, but there's no evidence to back that up.

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Post by Retric » Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 2:21 PM UTC

tailspin2019 wrote: post #14

eljimmy wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's true - China's numbers, unsurprisingly, really don't give light to how badly they were impacted. I remember reading about how they were building brand new hospitals to cope. Literally building a brand new hospital. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/31/pictures-china-builds-two-ho... Looking back on that, it's interesting to think about how that should have been a major warning sign of things to come for the rest of t…

> Literally building a brand new hospital. We built multiple temporary hospitals in the UK too. And albeit not so widely reported, temporary morgues. To be honest I assumed a whole bunch of countries were doing this...

Yes, the important bit was they where the canary in the coal mine for the pandemic.

However, it’s really difficult to be proactive here as avoiding an issues means people assume it isn’t a problem. Shutdowns likely saved millions of lives in America but as people are only aware of the downsides they see not the horrors that where avoided.

Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by tibbydudeza » Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 2:21 PM UTC

CydeWeys wrote: post #5

brink wrote: post #2

Whatever your opinion is about the lockdowns, there is one thing everyone should be able to agree on; they destabilize just about everything. I'm worried about people going hungry or not being able to heat their home this winter from the ripple effects.

Weird to blame the lockdowns when the real cause was the pandemic. It's not like everyone was going to continually working normally in crowded spaces with people dropping like flies in the hospitals. China especially was hit so incredibly badly in that first wave; it was always gonna go pear-shaped no matter what.

When I saw the time lapsed footage of a emergency hospital being built in Wuhan in only 10 days I turned to the wife and said there is some big $hit coming.

Three weeks later we had 4 cases from Italian tourists - it all went pear shaped from there - 2.91M infected and 87,819 deaths.

Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by tailspin2019 » Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 2:23 PM UTC

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #16

brink wrote: post #2

Whatever your opinion is about the lockdowns, there is one thing everyone should be able to agree on; they destabilize just about everything. I'm worried about people going hungry or not being able to heat their home this winter from the ripple effects.

Blaming lockdowns isn’t the full story. Demand for electronics is way, way up. Everything from people being bored at home to extra stimulus dollars has put extra demand on everything electronic. The effect is amplified as companies are panic-buying every part they might possibly need for the next few years.

> Demand for electronics is way, way up. Everything from people being bored at home to extra stimulus dollars has put extra demand on everything electronic.

Yep this is a really good point, and not so widely understood. A compounding effect of increased demand and extremely limited supply...