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Re: VMware Fusion for Apple Silicon Public Tech Preview Now Available

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stefan_ wrote: post #5
protomyth wrote: post #4

We don’t plan to support installing or running x86 VMs on Macs with Apple silicon. What about x86 emulation? We get asked regularly about running x86 VMs on M1 Macs. It makes total sense… If Apple can emulate x86 with Rosetta 2, surely VMware can do something too, right? Well, the short answer is that there isn’t exactly much business value relative to the engineering effort that is required, at least for the time be…

That seems like a bold move. I would have expected that 90% wanted a Fusion exclusively to be able to run x86 operating systems .

Same here. Remember Connectix (later Microsoft) Virtual PC? To run x86 Windows on your PPC Macintosh? That's the sort of gap I thought VMware was waiting to fill before releasing the new VMware Fusion. What a let down.

Re: VMware Fusion for Apple Silicon Public Tech Preview Now Available

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Post by ecf »

protomyth wrote: post #4

We don’t plan to support installing or running x86 VMs on Macs with Apple silicon. What about x86 emulation? We get asked regularly about running x86 VMs on M1 Macs. It makes total sense… If Apple can emulate x86 with Rosetta 2, surely VMware can do something too, right? Well, the short answer is that there isn’t exactly much business value relative to the engineering effort that is required, at least for the time be…

What do you expect after they fired everyone working on Fusion and outsourced to India?

It’s 100% possible to implement this, VMWare is just a second-rate virtualization platform these days.

Don’t buy their product. Ever.

https://www.theregister.com/2016/01/27/vmware_fusion_and_wor...

Re: VMware Fusion for Apple Silicon Public Tech Preview Now Available

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Post by m_st »

azalemeth wrote: post #11
protomyth wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be the only reason I would continue to pay for the product. Prepping a VM on my desktop to move into VSphere or running an older Mac OS to run 32-bit software are my use cases.

Exactly. I have a lot of dev toolchains that are basically VMs -- the fact that I can't use them on the M1 is the thing keeping from jumping ship to the M1. I can't be the only person for whom this is true. I'm really surprised that nobody has done this yet, even if it's slow.

Same here. Working with a new Dell XPS15 instead now.

Re: VMware Fusion for Apple Silicon Public Tech Preview Now Available

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Post by sys_64738 »

nottorp wrote: post #18
frank_sausage wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better UI, no scammy "buy our other product" buttons in the app UI, no misleading pricing. I always found Parallels to be quite shady.

I once bought a vmware fusion professional license. It came with threatening emails from vmware marketing to renew my 12 months of support contract (which I never used). So now I just don't buy the professional version any more. And I'm saying both companies are shady as f*k.

Fusion is free for personal use.

Re: VMware Fusion for Apple Silicon Public Tech Preview Now Available

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Post by nottorp »

sys_64738 wrote: post #26
nottorp wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I once bought a vmware fusion professional license. It came with threatening emails from vmware marketing to renew my 12 months of support contract (which I never used). So now I just don't buy the professional version any more. And I'm saying both companies are shady as f*k.

Fusion is free for personal use.

That's a recent thing. Last time i needed to renew it was paid.

Re: VMware Fusion for Apple Silicon Public Tech Preview Now Available

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Post by eddieroger »

ecf wrote: post #22
protomyth wrote: post #4

We don’t plan to support installing or running x86 VMs on Macs with Apple silicon. What about x86 emulation? We get asked regularly about running x86 VMs on M1 Macs. It makes total sense… If Apple can emulate x86 with Rosetta 2, surely VMware can do something too, right? Well, the short answer is that there isn’t exactly much business value relative to the engineering effort that is required, at least for the time be…

What do you expect after they fired everyone working on Fusion and outsourced to India? It’s 100% possible to implement this, VMWare is just a second-rate virtualization platform these days. Don’t buy their product. Ever. https://www.theregister.com/2016/01/27/vmware_fusion_and_wor...

That's an unnecessarily xenophobic way of saying what the article does, which is that VMWare has decided to shift their focus to server virtualization at the cost of desktop virtualization. They're a business, and if they're making more money from one product line than the other, it's their choice to abandon the one. Don't buy the product if you don't like that, sure, but there's no reason to disparage outsourcing as the problem here.

Re: VMware Fusion for Apple Silicon Public Tech Preview Now Available

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Post by nottorp »

nicoburns wrote: post #19
nottorp wrote: post #17

I wonder if Apple realizes where this is going for developers that don't only do web stuff. No x86 VMs from either virtualization product means I also need a x86 box around. What does that lead to? I'm no longer a Mac Pro customer, just a Mac Mini customer. And I'll be running Linux as the main OS on the x86 box, which I haven't done in ages. Are they trying to push Linux/x86 adoption? :) Edit: at least they were hon…

Developers are quite a small segment of Apple's customer base. They're simply trying to improve the experience of their devices for consumer use cases. As long as you have a mac of some sort and are developing for their platform then that's all they need.

> Developers are quite a small segment of Apple's customer base.

Yeah, but they're reasonably influential. At least my friends ask me what to buy. Not that I always recommend Apple, but they know I use that exclusively which counts for some mind share. And that will end when I make the jump to arm.

Re: VMware Fusion for Apple Silicon Public Tech Preview Now Available

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Post by smoldesu »

mirekrusin wrote: post #10
protomyth wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be the only reason I would continue to pay for the product. Prepping a VM on my desktop to move into VSphere or running an older Mac OS to run 32-bit software are my use cases.

x86 is dying in front of our eyes. I've been using M1 exclusively for work for couple of months. I was a bit sceptical, initially I thought tons of stuff will not work. But all except one thing works perfectly. That one thing being mssql server. Microsoft provides azure flavoured ARM docker image for mssql but it's shit slow - so slow I can't use it for development. So I'm running Ubuntu on Ryzen in the background (n…

Conversely, I got an M1 machine for work and I've found that it's pretty useless unless your workload has been specifically tuned for it (like YouTube browsing or Twitter scrolling). There's no way in hell I'm using Rosetta to compile my x86 binaries, especially on a professional basis.
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