> Close your eyes and visualize your way to the shop in the head So I guess people with aphantasia are out of luck?
Came here just to comment this, but yes, memory palaces don't really work for people with aphantasia
An ultimate guide to memory palaces
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#24Mildly out of context question:
Has anyone tried those virtual memory palaces available for VR headsets?
I feel like this would either hack it and make it instant and available for all or fail miserably without helping memory.
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#25> Close your eyes and visualize your way to the shop in the head So I guess people with aphantasia are out of luck?
With aphantasia, you simply cannot "visualise" the way other people "visualise". But you can still "visualise". Not using images but using the other mechanisms you developed.
Many people with aphantasia are unaware of it because they can function just fine and have workarounds that fills almost all their needs. They simply cannot add an image to it.
Personally, I can make memory palace work fine. There's simply no image, so it rely a lot on the same "path finding" the brain uses to allow me to walk around town without getting lost. I like to joke that my GPU is broken but my CPU works fine.
So, for the sake of etymology I guess it would not be visualise but factualize or some other word.
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#26I could never get memory palaces to work for me, but found that with enough practice, Mnemonic Pegs is like a superpower.
Interesting, I found this link that looks like a promising starting point: https://artofmemory.com/wiki/Mnemonic_Peg_System/#:~:text=A%... .
I found the best ones turned numbers into phonetics, which created words, which you then linked to what you wanted to remember.
Have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnemonic_major_system it's not the system I used, but the DOS program I learned from isn't online anymore.
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#27Another good resource is The Memory Book[0]. It covers a few different systems that cover different scenarios, such as lists, like in the article, names and numbers. It uses techniques like the article, but also expands on them in interesting ways. If you put the practice time in, it does work!
[0] https://www.amazon.com/Memory-Book-Classic-Improving-School/...
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#28I've trained my memory over the last ~5 years. I became fascinated with oral cultures. How could they transmit enough knowledge to survive and basically confer PhD level knowledge of survival without books? How could they remember it all? How does your experience of the world change when every place you find yourself is (mentally) chock full of (your most prized) memories? I also wanted to get more out of reading. I…
so many questions :) > So I memorized books. Convert a book into 100-250 bullet points, memorize them in a memory palace do you have one palace per book? Many bullet points per location? Very big memory palaces? do you memorise as you read, or do you take notes and learn those? any guides that you found particularly useful?
> do you have one palace per book?
Yes. Some people chain together small locations that in aggregate serve as a large palace
> Many bullet points per location?
At first I used the "roman room method" which put 10 items per room. Later, I store "memories within the memories" which is like zooming into a single item that itself serves as a mini-palace. For example, maybe Mr Rogers is in a room. I can zoom into him and he could have something on his head, in his mouth, on each hand, etc and he could store an additional 10 ideas.
> Very big memory palaces?
They are places I've been like houses with 5-10 rooms. I tried using the British Museum because it has google street view.
The key to memory is link ideas to what you already know well.
>do you memorise as you read, or do you take notes and learn those?
I've tried both. If it's a "concept book" then I read it once, take short short notes of only 3-5 bullet points per chapter, then memorize those at the end.
With "course/class/do-it" books where you're learning by doing and spending a long time with the book, I paper clip a folded sheet of paper in the book and do it on the fly.
> any guides that you found particularly useful?
I'll share some below. One point to share is that this is a skill (like bike riding). So studying the method (at first) is almost useless. Just try it, learn by doing. Answer your own questions by doing the experiments yourself. Start with memorizing something you actually care about. You will totally suck at first, and rapidly improve. :)
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Several memory champions have aphantasia
didn't know that! do you know if they use memory palaces? can you share info about 'em?
Dr. Lynne Kelley the author of The Memory Code and Memory Craft has it. She uses memory palaces. With aphantasia you still have a hippocampus so thinking about the concept of space to encode info works just the same. :)
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#30I've trained my memory over the last ~5 years. I became fascinated with oral cultures. How could they transmit enough knowledge to survive and basically confer PhD level knowledge of survival without books? How could they remember it all? How does your experience of the world change when every place you find yourself is (mentally) chock full of (your most prized) memories? I also wanted to get more out of reading. I…
Have you seen this?
"Ancient Australian Aboriginal Memory Tool Superior to ‘Memory Palace’"
https://neurosciencenews.com/aboriginal-memory-technique-184...