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Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

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Post by pizza234 » Thu, Sep 23, 2021, 6:38 AM UTC

shp0ngle wrote: post #6

1_player wrote: post #3

I was holding off and waiting for a new Surface laptop or 2-in-1 until recently when: - Windows 11 was announced and proves to be another Vista-like misstep. - I have learned about Framework laptops and repairability and being able to upgrade one has become a killer feature.

> Windows 11 was announced and proves to be another Vista-like misstep. It's not even out yet?

The TPM and general older platform incompatibility problems have been advertised for long; not sure how it'll play out, but I'll avoid it like the plague.

Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

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Post by LeoPanthera » Thu, Sep 23, 2021, 6:40 AM UTC

dgellow wrote: post #19

bigmattystyles wrote: post #14

Fuck that noise Jack; I recently updated my home computer and had to install Windows 10 from scratch - Even its setup seems to have changed for the worst since I originally installed it on my now defunct PC. I have the Pro edition (that I paid $200 for) - using the latest ISO, the whole setup just felt user and privacy hostile. I remembered that it would try to make me use my Hotmail account as a user account, but wh…

I understand that you're angry and feel frustrated, but you're writing about your Windows 10 experience in a thread about new Surface devices and Windows 11. That just feels off-topic IMHO.

Do you honestly believe that Windows 11 will not do any of that stuff? That would be a sudden shocking reversal.

Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

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Post by dgellow » Thu, Sep 23, 2021, 6:40 AM UTC

skinkestek wrote: post #8

shp0ngle wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Windows 11 was announced and proves to be another Vista-like misstep. It's not even out yet?

Yet they have been advertising its problems I think. I'm not that into Windows though.

I have to say that I do not understand the bad press around Windows 11. I'm using the dev channel since it's available and while things have been unstable (expected from a dev release), the user experience is clearly an improvement over the mess Windows 10 is. My machine doesn't feel slugish anymore, the Start menu and settings panel are finally usable, the new windows snapping features work quite well, managing external displays isn't a nightmare anymore, etc.

I was even able to update my old Thinkpad x230 after enabling TPM from the bios, it feels usable again.

Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

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Post by hughrr » Thu, Sep 23, 2021, 6:43 AM UTC

hulitu wrote: post #7

mike_d wrote: post #2

Windows 11 seems to be a targeted competitor of iPad OS and just pretending desktops don't exist anymore. Hard to see the thinking in Microsoft's strategy here.

But they are working hard on it. So hard that they ignore all the bugs in Office 365 and just built the latest and (not so) greatest windows.

They ignore all the bugs in everything. Feels like there’s a skeleton crew at MSFT just applying new turd polish and that’s it.

Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

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Post by dgellow » Thu, Sep 23, 2021, 6:45 AM UTC

LeoPanthera wrote: post #22

dgellow wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand that you're angry and feel frustrated, but you're writing about your Windows 10 experience in a thread about new Surface devices and Windows 11. That just feels off-topic IMHO.

Do you honestly believe that Windows 11 will not do any of that stuff? That would be a sudden shocking reversal.

We will have plenty of time to complain about it when Windows 11 is released. I would personally prefer to see discussions regarding the actual Surface devices in a Surface thread.

Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

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Post by hardwaresofton » Thu, Sep 23, 2021, 6:47 AM UTC

1_player wrote: post #3

I was holding off and waiting for a new Surface laptop or 2-in-1 until recently when: - Windows 11 was announced and proves to be another Vista-like misstep. - I have learned about Framework laptops and repairability and being able to upgrade one has become a killer feature.

I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but Microsoft seems to almost be doing the missteps in a pattern/on purpose.

Win95 vs Win98/ME/etc (? not sure)

WinXP vs Vista

Win7 vs Win8

Win10 vs Win11?

It's like the Intel's tick-tock model almost. On some level I do think that bashing this is a bit hypocritical when most of us nerds are also the first ones to bemoan a lack of innovation.

Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

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Post by stinos » Thu, Sep 23, 2021, 6:47 AM UTC

aksss wrote: post #10

1_player wrote: post #3

I was holding off and waiting for a new Surface laptop or 2-in-1 until recently when: - Windows 11 was announced and proves to be another Vista-like misstep. - I have learned about Framework laptops and repairability and being able to upgrade one has become a killer feature.

Or another Windows 8 misstep. They seem intent on releasing the product with a crippled start menu (zero customization and half of it seemingly reserved for ad space), the integrated teams chat is not compatible with work accounts, the widgets do not allow you to disable the news widget. I appreciate the typeface changes, though as a Windows user such things have never been a priority to me. What irks me is the loss…

Have you considered not bothering with manually going through the start menu but just typing what you want, or otherwise pinning mostly used apps to the taskbar? Both are faster and more convenient than point-search-click and taskbar allows grouping. Only downside: typing in the start menu does not always work flawlessly; can't pinpoint the exact problem but seems like there's some algorithm behind it which takes some time to get the most used things to the top. Also it's not truly fuzzy matching, which is imo by far the best and fastest way for launching/searching anything (think Ctrl-P in text editors like SublimeText/VSCode or using fzf on the command line)

Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

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Post by asiachick » Thu, Sep 23, 2021, 6:48 AM UTC

pie42000 wrote: post #17

bigmattystyles wrote: post #14

Fuck that noise Jack; I recently updated my home computer and had to install Windows 10 from scratch - Even its setup seems to have changed for the worst since I originally installed it on my now defunct PC. I have the Pro edition (that I paid $200 for) - using the latest ISO, the whole setup just felt user and privacy hostile. I remembered that it would try to make me use my Hotmail account as a user account, but wh…

Apple doesn't look so bad now, does it

Apple requires signing in and registering a credit card to do almost anything on an iOS.

Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

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Post by dgellow » Thu, Sep 23, 2021, 6:51 AM UTC

farnsworth wrote: post #5

The surface duo is just such a great concept, compared to the folding screen phones. They avoid all the tech risk and expense of the folding screen phones, and the two screen form factor is just a legitimately good way to organize apps on a screen, like having two physical monitors. The tech seems too early for the folding screen phones, and they unfold into something which is an awkward shape. There's nothing I want…

I agree, it looks great. But the price is way too high! Starting price: 1599$?! Who can afford such a device, and what to do you actually do with something that expensive that you wouldn't do with a one-screen phone? If I sell my arm to buy something like this, which is basically the price of a good laptop, I expect a really, really special experience, I'm not sure the custom Android ROM Microsoft is using will be up to the task.

Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

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Post by bigmattystyles » Thu, Sep 23, 2021, 6:54 AM UTC

dgellow wrote: post #25

LeoPanthera wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you honestly believe that Windows 11 will not do any of that stuff? That would be a sudden shocking reversal.

We will have plenty of time to complain about it when Windows 11 is released. I would personally prefer to see discussions regarding the actual Surface devices in a Surface thread.

I see your point but the article is about the Surface and how it is made for Windows 11. As a consumer, what do I have to base it on today other than how they've changed Windows 10 for the worst. To me what you're saying is like telling me I can't form on opinion on Police Academy 6 based on what I thought of Police Academy 5,4,3,2 and 1.