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Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by merth »

judge2020 wrote: post #18
chairhairair wrote: post #12

The channel in this post has 20 YouTube subscribers and no more than a couple thousand total YouTube views. The trending page on PeerTube shows a list of videos with at most a few dozen views. Is PeerTube supremely unpopular (seems to have been launched several years ago: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PeerTube), or am I missing something? Does it really have an order of magnitude more Github stars ( https://github.com/Chocob…

A lot of people see the usefulness of PeerTube but don't move because the creators they watch are on YouTube. It's the same for the creators, though - they can't move off of YouTube entirely, because none of their viewers will go to a PeerTube instance just to watch that one creator. Thus nobody moves to PT unless there are other factors (like extremist creators moving because their videos keep getting removed by YT)…

just upload same videos to both platforms, people will come slowly.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by spiderice »

ShamelessC wrote: post #15
chairhairair wrote: post #12

The channel in this post has 20 YouTube subscribers and no more than a couple thousand total YouTube views. The trending page on PeerTube shows a list of videos with at most a few dozen views. Is PeerTube supremely unpopular (seems to have been launched several years ago: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PeerTube), or am I missing something? Does it really have an order of magnitude more Github stars ( https://github.com/Chocob…

> The channel in this post has 20 YouTube subscribers and no more than a couple thousand total YouTube views. ...that's quite a lot even on YouTube, no? I always assumed the videos recommended for their sheer popularity were a "top 1%" sort of situation.

No, this is nowhere near a lot, even for small channels. Make a quality video about something useful and there is a good chance you get more views than this persons whole channel

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by spijdar »

judge2020 wrote: post #18
chairhairair wrote: post #12

The channel in this post has 20 YouTube subscribers and no more than a couple thousand total YouTube views. The trending page on PeerTube shows a list of videos with at most a few dozen views. Is PeerTube supremely unpopular (seems to have been launched several years ago: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PeerTube), or am I missing something? Does it really have an order of magnitude more Github stars ( https://github.com/Chocob…

A lot of people see the usefulness of PeerTube but don't move because the creators they watch are on YouTube. It's the same for the creators, though - they can't move off of YouTube entirely, because none of their viewers will go to a PeerTube instance just to watch that one creator. Thus nobody moves to PT unless there are other factors (like extremist creators moving because their videos keep getting removed by YT)…

This is my big pet peeve with people who describe Youtube's demonetization policies as "censorship" and propose Peertube as a replacement. I'm not going to get entangled in the question of what responsibility big social media has and what it should or shouldn't do about giving people platforms, but I will say that if you believe demonetization and being de-prioritized in youtube's discovery algorithms is being deplatformed/censored, moving to a service that doesn't really have monetization or youtube-style content discovery isn't the solution.

If you move your content to PeerTube and want both an audience and to be paid, you'll need a combination of third party services and other social media, and will likely end up with similar problems re: advertisers cutting out "unacceptable content".

I do think it'd probably be better if the content provider was divested from this layer and focused on only providing media, but Peertube doesn't really solve these social/economic problems people complain about with Youtube.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by supermatt »

chairhairair wrote: post #12

The channel in this post has 20 YouTube subscribers and no more than a couple thousand total YouTube views. The trending page on PeerTube shows a list of videos with at most a few dozen views. Is PeerTube supremely unpopular (seems to have been launched several years ago: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PeerTube), or am I missing something? Does it really have an order of magnitude more Github stars ( https://github.com/Chocob…

Peertube is really just an "app" providing a simple way to host and publish your content online outside the control of "service" providers that can also easily be accessed and shared by the "fediverse" (in this case activitypub supporting federated networks of servers and end users).

You can consume peertube content with any activitypub client that supports its types. In short, peertube is an accessible way for users to publish their videos to activitypub.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by LightG »

tinyhouse wrote: post #23

"exploited by ads". Well, YouTube needs to make money somehow. If you don't want ads you can pay a monthly fee like Netflix.

True, but as a typical user, I wish they'd just be straight up about it.

Basically, it's user experience degradation until you're forced to sign up.

How about trying to just reach out and offer a service without killing my current experience?

I pay for other subscriptions so this isn't a money thing, but I won't for youtube on principle. They ruined that platform.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by FalconSensei »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #19
fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn’t true of Mastodon or Pixelfed instances (or wasn’t when I tried running one). But, if you’re going to be called “join peertube” you need to have the sort of content that makes people want to join: copy about what peertube is + a list of instances isn’t that.

Most Mastodon instances have it a single click away from the sign-up page. (But yes, I agree. Mastodon isn't great, even though it's popular.)

For many people 1 click (or even an entire screen scroll-down) is too much. If PeerTube is supposed to be an YouTube alternative, you need to see videos and a search right away.

I know it's not an instance and blah-blah-blah, but those are technical details that (possible) users don't give a single F.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by maccolgan »

Timpy wrote: post #16
chairhairair wrote: post #12

The channel in this post has 20 YouTube subscribers and no more than a couple thousand total YouTube views. The trending page on PeerTube shows a list of videos with at most a few dozen views. Is PeerTube supremely unpopular (seems to have been launched several years ago: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PeerTube), or am I missing something? Does it really have an order of magnitude more Github stars ( https://github.com/Chocob…

Maybe the idea of PeerTube is a lot nice than the user experience? I can't say, I haven't tried PeerTube. I feel like this is pretty common when it comes to avoiding big tech though. When Github was bought out by Microsoft I went all in on Gitlab, but alas, the company I work for now uses Github. The sheer gravity of it pulled me back in.

The experience is fine, but PeerTube by definition is decentralized, so measurements won't always be indicative of usefulness...
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