The Perils of an .xyz Domain • Hacker News Board

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by tombert » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 5:50 PM UTC

jordemort wrote: post #4

I have a .haus domain for personal use. I can send and receive email just fine, but I do run into a lot of apps that do some sort of misguided "validation" on the email address and reject .haus as an invalid domain. One retailer lets me use the .haus email address as a login, but once I log in and try to make a payment it requires me to enter a different "valid" email address to send the receipt to. It's very irritat…

I have similar issues with my two main emails, which end with `.app` and `.sexy`. Both of these work fine, but validation will fail a lot of time (particularly for `.sexy`, but even for `.app`), forcing me to defer back to an unwieldy .com that I own.

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by Thaxll » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 5:50 PM UTC

humanistbot wrote: post #2

> One surprising side effect of having a .xyz domain is that the mere inclusion of .xyz inside of a text message will result in a silent delivery failure for many providers. This is wild to me. Tested it out myself and I couldn't send an SMS with a spot.xyz link to/from Google Voice T-Mobile. And no "failed delivery" notice either, just a silent failure. And yet I still get so many texts that are obviously spam or ph…

You wonder why there is any filtering on sms ...

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by Lammy » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 5:50 PM UTC

blowski wrote: post #13

sneak wrote: post #3

> One surprising side effect of having a .xyz domain is that the mere inclusion of .xyz inside of a text message will result in a silent delivery failure for many providers. Why are people afraid to use the real term for this? It's called censorship. Your provider is silently censoring your text messages. In peacetime. You can't expect it to improve when that's no longer the case.

Let's say I have a rule to block emails that mention "bitcoin" from arriving in my inbox. Is that censorship? Let's say, so many people have set up a similar rule that the email provider offers a quick way of adding that very rule. Is that censorship? Let's say, so many people use that "quick way" that the email provider turns it on by default. Is that censorship?

Yeah, of course. How would it be possible to have censorship at all if "so many" people didn't tolerate it?

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by kop316 » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 5:51 PM UTC

humanistbot wrote: post #2

> One surprising side effect of having a .xyz domain is that the mere inclusion of .xyz inside of a text message will result in a silent delivery failure for many providers. This is wild to me. Tested it out myself and I couldn't send an SMS with a spot.xyz link to/from Google Voice T-Mobile. And no "failed delivery" notice either, just a silent failure. And yet I still get so many texts that are obviously spam or ph…

...whoa, yeah same here. tried "test spot.xyz" then "test spot.com" T-mobile T-Mobile. "test spot.xyz" did not send. Even weirder, I got a confirmmation that it was delivered.

It looks like T-Mobile looks for ".xyz" within the SMS and will silent drop the SMS (though it will claim it is delivered). ".xxyz" works, "..xyz" or ".xyzz" does not. "xyz" works, so does ".xy".

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by akvadrako » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 5:51 PM UTC

jitl wrote: post #11

These are also good reasons to avoid using .so domains. You can also expect mail delivery issues and blanket corporate firewall blocks on .so. The rising prominence of https://notion.so is changing the cultural situation somewhat, but very slowly. (Edit: I work at Notion)

I have been exclusively using a .so domain for about 10 years and never experienced any of these issues.

What specific network blocks it?

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by krono » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 5:51 PM UTC

humanistbot wrote: post #2

> One surprising side effect of having a .xyz domain is that the mere inclusion of .xyz inside of a text message will result in a silent delivery failure for many providers. This is wild to me. Tested it out myself and I couldn't send an SMS with a spot.xyz link to/from Google Voice T-Mobile. And no "failed delivery" notice either, just a silent failure. And yet I still get so many texts that are obviously spam or ph…

Blocking of messages/emails and blanket email server/domain/extension blacklisting is the same as a postal service not delivering mail to or from a particular entity/street/town.

Doing so silently and without a valid and case-specific reason should not be legally allowed.

Edit: Added "street/town" to analogy, and "case-specific" before reason

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by tombert » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 5:53 PM UTC

I was pretty excited when ICANN opened up a bunch of new domain extensions, but it does sometimes feel like "all these extensions are great if you don't plan on using them".

It was pretty cool that I managed to buy a bunch of domains like ., but to be honest I really don't see myself using my .blackfriday domain for anything. For that matter, I think that (somewhat ironically) `my-last-name.email` would not be taken very seriously for a primary email address.

I use a `.app` domain for my personal email, which has its issues, but if I owned a business, there is no way on earth that I would be using anything but .com.

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by Spivak » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 5:56 PM UTC

Thaxll wrote: post #22

humanistbot wrote: post #2

> One surprising side effect of having a .xyz domain is that the mere inclusion of .xyz inside of a text message will result in a silent delivery failure for many providers. This is wild to me. Tested it out myself and I couldn't send an SMS with a spot.xyz link to/from Google Voice T-Mobile. And no "failed delivery" notice either, just a silent failure. And yet I still get so many texts that are obviously spam or ph…

You wonder why there is any filtering on sms ...

Because spam really is that rampant. There aren't that many communication systems with a small search domain of user ids where anyone can send and receive messages from anyone by default.

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by taftster » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 5:56 PM UTC

Dig1t wrote: post #8

> initial email open rates rose from 70% to 86% I know this is common knowledge, but it still really creeps me out that companies can track this.

Disable auto-image loading, and it will cut down the ability for companies to do this.

Unfortunately, this often times leads to direct phone calls along the lines of, "Hey taftster, did you get my email? It shows that you haven't opened it yet."

This side-effect is also very annoying.

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by dangrossman » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 5:57 PM UTC

jordemort wrote: post #4

I have a .haus domain for personal use. I can send and receive email just fine, but I do run into a lot of apps that do some sort of misguided "validation" on the email address and reject .haus as an invalid domain. One retailer lets me use the .haus email address as a login, but once I log in and try to make a payment it requires me to enter a different "valid" email address to send the receipt to. It's very irritat…

I've been using a .info domain for email for, I don't know, 15-20 years. Maybe 3-4 times in those decades I've run into a service that won't let me sign up with my "invalid email". And once, I was locked out of my smart garage door opener app because a new version decided my already-registered email was now invalid for logins. Customer support kept telling me to just reset my password, but even the password reset form decided my email was invalid. A few months later, another new version of the app decided my email was valid again.